Even If Procedural Vote On Bipartisan Bill Fails, Schumer Appears To Be Winning The Long Game

I agree. Nothing they do it going to stop the Dems. and McConnell knows it. Eliminate the debt ceiling and the Dems will solely reap the reward which McConnell also knows.

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This makes GOP obstinacy even stranger. The “real infrastructure” isn’t going to build itself, the profit-making private players will of necessity have a big role unless everything gets dumped on the Army Corps of Engineers.

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Just threaten to increase IRS enforcement against billionaires if it becomes part of the reconciliation and watch Republicans flock to the bill.

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I understand that it’s a law. Laws can be changed. That’s what legislatures do. My point is, Democrats should add verbiage to a must pass bill which will repeal this law. Why is it there if it means that the US will default on the debt if it surpasses the debt limit? It’s as if the Democrats just agree that this is OK and then take the whipping from the Republicans on “raising the debt limit” but when they are in charge. If it’s a stupid statutory law…change it. If it can and must be voted on to be raised, then why can’t it be voted on to be repealed?

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Excellent post, @rptwiz. ^This can not be said enough. Voters are baked in at this point. The majority just flat out don’t listen to or believe anything the RW has to say.

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That raises the question of equally powerful, but contradicting omnipotence.

That’s the thought I keep returning to. You’re probably not going to change people’s minds after you’ve spent 1.5 years telling them a thing isn’t real and you don’t need to protect yourself from it. I imagine this overnight 180 only makes the people you’re trying to convince even more suspicious.

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Absolutely.

I believe working together is the only way to avoid extinction. Look where we came from to see the “how to” guide.

Where You Are Free To Leave

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:clap: :100:

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McConnell: “I can’t imagine there will be a single Republican voting to raise the debt ceiling after what we’ve been experiencing,”

Go for it, sparky. Shutting down the government - closing national parks, unpaid federal prison guards, slow downs in loan processing, further delays in US courts proved so popular in 2017 when Trump did it the last time that you should repeat it. Mitch wants to put the the “dys” back in government dysfunction.

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Yep…shut down the government you moronic ahole. You don’t care about the country anyway so why not? I’m sure Ted can peruse his Dr. Suess collection and you guys and you and your poisonous cadre can dredge up your bag o’ lies about how SAD you are and it’s really the DEMOCRATS…do it.

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Same old tricks, same old Mitch.

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Debt ceiling deadlines aren’t the same as a shutdown. We’ve run past them before, starts going on day to day receipts and what bills get paid, deferred, whatever.

Even better than a shutdown, one of the most likely things to happen quite early on is all those social security checks stop processing, piss off the group that voted heaviest for the Rs, would hurt some Dems but can’t think of a more deserving overall group.

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“McConnell Floats New Plan To Derail Infrastructure Talks: Hold The Debt Ceiling Hostage”

And not for the first time.

It is despicable for the GQP to hold hostage the 'full faith and credit" of the USA in the international financial system for domestic partisan purposes. This is putting the GQP’s partisan interest over the national interest in spades. Sadly this is not the first time they’ve done so.

Among the clearest and most damaging violations of legitimate behavior is to place party or partisan-interest over national-interest. There are diverse examples of this sadly common phenomenon. A particularly unfortunate one was when the US House of Representatives under Speaker John Boehner used the arbitrary need for a vote to increase the ‘debt limit’ to hold hostage the full faith and credit of USA (analogous to paying the Visa bill for money already spent, but with far greater impact than a bad credit score). It – and with it, a foundation of the international financial system’s stability – was reduced to a political tool to achieve an ideological end. They abused must-pass situation to the point of shutting down the government to get their policy choices passed.

Mitch McConnel later judged the gambit to ransom the full faith and credit of the USA to get their way, a ‘hostage worth taking.” And now he’s done it again. The man and his party are despicable.

I heard recently that some big international bond rating agencies are thinking of downgrading America’s ‘credit rating’ due to political instability. This will surely call interest rates to increase.

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Unfortunately, this is one of those toys which both sides have actually used (even Obama did as a senator).

It’s a stupid and pointless law, likely unconstitutional under the 14th amendment, but you can’t challenge it in court unless they ever pull the trigger of refusing to raise the debt ceiling, at which point the damage would already be done

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C/mon Goobers…just say yer gonna not support what America needs cuz reasons,.

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A nice visit from Papa Joe’s folks should fix that. Nice bond rating company you’ve got here, pity if something happened to it

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Dam*, I thought I was cynical

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The GQP are truly shameless

A whole lotta things in government from laws to immunity memos for the sitting POTUS to abhorrent behavior and commentaryof members of both chambers are stupid and pointless. It’s politics in a pig pen full of pig shit. They try to dress it up with lipstick…

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but it’s still pigs in pig shit (and no, I do not eat pork)

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