I think to hang perjury on them you’d have to prove they were lying at the time they uttered the words. AS you say they really didn’t say anything. There’s a bigger lie though. Kav, Gorsuch and Amy deliberately misled Congress on how they see the Court and their position on the will of the American majority. They did their best to make us believe they would not be a radical Court. That there was nothing to fear. Hard to think they just “misspoke” or were “taken out of context” given how proximate to those words they revealed themselves. They were deliberately deceitful on the biggest issue in question and the one of greatest concern: allowing the Bible and their religion to trump all things American.
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Perjury isn’t for perceptions. It’s for making deliberately false statements of fact. They didn’t do that.
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Wouldn’t “outlawing abortion everywhere” require a Federal law?
Or could the Court do it by interpreting Federal murder laws to treat fetuses as “persons”?
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I believe that if Gorsuch and Kavanaugh could get pregnant, they wouldn’t vote to overturn Roe.
Because they’d be too busy getting abortions.
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Court can do it however they want to justify it. 5 votes makes anything constitutional that they say. They could declare the Constitution unconstitutional in its entirety and smart law professors would insist that they’re correct because they voted that way.
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Or Oogenesis/Spermatogenesis, taken to the “illogical conclusion”.
Taking that point to its logical conclusion is exactly what anti-abortion activists promote. If viability is an arbitrary marker of when a fetus’ personhood begins, there’s nothing to stop that point from happening earlier — even, say, at the moment of conception.
ETA There are various theories about when and how life began but biologists who study the matter think it was about 3.7 billion years ago and the carousel has been turning ever since.
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Not if they go all-in on fetal personhood and I don’t see why they wouldn’t with this court:
But within the anti-abortion-rights movement, there is not so much talk about democracy anymore. Now some abortion-rights opponents are quite literally looking for a Roe of their own, asking the Court to recognize fetal rights under the Fourteenth Amendment. Remember that overturning Roe wouldn’t make abortion illegal; it would mean that states could set their own abortion limits, which would no longer be subject to constitutional review. That will never be enough for anti-abortion-rights activists, though. In the conservative magazine First Things , John Finnis, a professor emeritus at the University of Notre Dame, recently made an argument that could provide the framework an anti-abortion-rights Supreme Court could use to outlaw abortion across the country: that the legislators who wrote the Fourteenth Amendment viewed unborn children as persons. If the Constitution recognizes fetal personhood, then unborn children would have the right to equal protection under and due process of the law. Abortion would be unconstitutional in New York as well as in Alabama. Other leading anti-abortion-rights scholars have made the same argument.
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If abortion is outlawed, wouldn’t IVF essentially also be outlawed?
Pro-lifers always love it when some woman gives birth to a litter.
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I’m not sure what that is
Have to be. All those embryos, each lost one is a murder.
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Alito is the kind of idealist-ideolog, who, upon seeing a loose thread in the fabric of his jacket, thinks he should just pull it out and ignore what else it might be attached to.
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Roberts is a monster impersonating reasonable nice guy.
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in vitro fertilization
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What? Another lizard person?
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FIFY. That’s how tens of thousands of women die every year. (Not that having been a whole day away from losing a spouse would affect my point of view or anything.)
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IVF is In vitro fertilization.
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Honestly, the pandering to religious nuts by politicians was the beginning of the end for American democracy. I remember wondering when someone was going to mention separation of church and state when Jimmy Carter went yammering on about his religion. Now it’s too late. The inmates have taken over.
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Ya know, Alito just couldn’t buy the kind of proof-reading talent that’s being volunteered.
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Not just IVF, but any contraception that they claim prevents implantation of an embryo. They’ve already laid the groundwork for claiming many common methods of birth control act in this way.
Fetal personhood is not just a method for outlawing abortion, but also many types of contraception.
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Yep.
The Constitution means whatever the Supreme Court Justices, whomever they are at any given time, say it means. Five of the current justices can rule that the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments were wrongly approved and then completely disenfranchise black folks.
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