DOJ ‘Urges Congress’ To Pass Voting Laws After SCOTUS Upholds AZ Restrictions | Talking Points Memo

The Federalist Society doesn’t allow a free unfettered flow of material.

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But he was watching old videos so he couldn’t figure that out.

Yup.

even neutral regulations, no matter how crafted, may well result in some predictable disparities in rates of voting and noncompliance with voting rules,” Justice Samuel Alito wrote for the court.

If the disparities are predictable then the regulations are not neutral.

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You know, for me it has absolutely nothing to do with the politics of gender. I haven’t taken a position whatsoever on whether she needs a conservator, but I’m not falling for the reductionist bullshit. The fact is that neither you nor I know any of the relevant facts about whether she should have a conservator. I certainly find some of the allegations about abusive behavior by current conservators to be appalling, but that goes to whether they should remain her conservators, not whether she needs one in the first place. I also find it important that other people have come forward backing her request to get out from under it, but that’s only one factor the judge is going to weigh.

In any event, my point was not taking a position on any of it, just pointing out that by the nature of the proceedings and everything that goes into them, treating it like it’s just some frivolous milking of a cash cow because something something misogyny is fucking stupid and beneath an intelligent person. The judge is a woman. She has already taken the cash cow part of it out of the father’s hands and put into the trust of a wealth/financial management company. This recent shit wasn’t even a petition to end the conservatorship outright, so being angry that that wasn’t somehow the magical result is misguided. And again, the public airing of all of it might feel righteous, but doesn’t necessarily do her mental health any favors. As someone with a clinical psych degree, that last part was my overarching point of concern.

Unless you meant it as a literal punishment under law.

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Didn’t her testimony reveal that her court-appointed lawyer hadn’t informed her that she could petition to have the conservatorship removed? Also that there is no paper trail for the conservator’s fees being agreed to by the court? Doesn’t that set your bs meter tinkling ever so gently ?

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I think Britney is bipolar, or that’s something that some had said about her.
I think her father needs to go hands off on this. He made a lot of money off of her. Does she need a conservator, probably but I find it odd that her former lawyer did tell her things, or that maybe the lawyer wasn’t up to dealing with a person with the kind of personality/mental illness that Britney has. Either way the best thing would be to get her father out of her business.

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As I said, there’s a lot of reporting that things are being done that are fucked up, but you have to separate the issue of whether a conservator is necessary from whether there is evidence that the person or entity acting as conservator needs to change. Moreover, you then have to add in the issue of whether certain issues can be acted upon by the Court sua sponte or must be brought before the Court for it to consider them and rule on them. Self-dealing fee payments and failure of counsel to advise are serious issues and given the Court’s orders, it is taking them seriously. However, all I’ve read is that she stated she had no clue that she could petition for the conservatorship to end, which standing alone strikes me as a little on the line in terms of credibility. It’s not unimaginable that her lawyer failed her, but at the same time, she’s not being kept in a black box star chamber and I’ve known elderly people with severe deficits who literally never stopped demanding an end to it. The invasion of privacy and personal autonomy is keenly felt and probate courts almost always want to hear from the person themselves…and often their personal objections and statements can be enough for the Court to begin taking action, particularly if there’s a demonstrable problem with representation or the conservator. But again, those types of failures go to whether a change in conservator or even representation are in order, not whether a conservatorship should exist.

I think that’s becoming increasingly clear, even if everything were to turn out false. The situation has become toxic, and a person subject to a conservatorship deserves one that she can trust, particularly when it seems that the underlying reason for the conservatorship like mental illness is only exacerbated or worsened or even tormented by the discord. The Court had put the financial side of things in a company’s hands, but now even that company is petitioning to get out of the situation. I think what we’re probably going to see is the Court weighing whether it is time to end it or whether its time for a complete reset with new and vetted people involved. The Court has something scheduled for July to revisit the issues…it’s not just dead in the water or even close.

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Proving that his opinion was taken directly from ole Balls And Strikes Roberts. All he is doing is interpreting the law as written by Congress. You get the Supreme Court you pay for… and the GOP is getting their money’s worth

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Republicans ratfucked the country to get the current court. THIS is one of the things Republicans wanted- a SCOTUS blessing to engage in disparate treatment. Alito’s guideposts give them the greenlight.

The man is craftily avoiding the question of INTENTIONAL discriminatory effects in voting rules by emphasizing how helpless we all are to unintended consequences.
BTW, can anybody PLEASE explain to me how a regulation can be neutral and at the same time have “predictable disparities”

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NPR’s On Point spent the entire program on conservatorship issues, with Spears suit being the lead-in. Much of it was on the general topic, whys and pros/cons, some examples of bad and good conservatorship, regulations and effectiveness, etc.

Per statements on the show, she was forced to take lithium without any medical diagnosis.
Also forced to have an IUD and not permitted to sit in her boyfriend’s car. A different issue than being involuntarily medicated, though it is arguably related to control of a female a la 19th century.

In the course of the program several people opined that there are some sketchy elements in Britney’s situation. But also that the judge chose not to end the conservatorship, suggesting there are considerations not publicly known.

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The other night on PBS there were re-running (?) their series on mental health in America.
And then there’s this list that has been floating around the interwebs.

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its all about her money…her daddy pays himself out of that money.

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Bi -polar people do not always need to controlled like this…depends on how severe the disorder is… this woman seems to be quite capable of taking care of herself; if she needs anyhting , its people who know what they are doing…and not make a lot of money doing it… if she has a conservator, it needs to be an ‘arms length’ professional relationship,not a domineering , greedy parent.

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Yes I understand that people with bi-polar conditions do not need to be controlled this much.

As for her father James Parnell Spears, from the wiki

Spears struggled with alcohol later in life and eventually went to rehab in 2004.[10][11] He later suffered a near-fatal colon rupture in 2019.[12] He has had no job of record for more than two decades. Details of his financial livelihood independent of his affiliation to daughter Britney remain unknown.

Yeah this dude has been through some stuff, isn’t stable, and has a poor work history. So yes he needs to be totally out of the picture in regards to Britney’s money and her conservatorship.

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I think I can only claim seven or eight of these in my background.
Oh, it’s not one of those lists?

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Hahaha…now that’s pretty funny.