Discussion:

The main objection may be that they were a book group.

@CandiRue : now that one I’m inclined to complain about

Sounds like an alcohol related incident.

I don’t know if it’s a black or white thing, but we’ve all been in some group – a tour, restaurant, movie – where some segment is behaving really obnoxiously and boisterous.

i may not like it, but I never complain. I leave first.

Look at those faces and a book club to boot, you just know they’re up to something.

Jeb!'s left hand is furious about this.

Napa Valley is Daytona Beach for affluent white middle-agers. I can’t claim to know exactly what happened on that train, but, given the number of loud, drunk, scary WASPs I’ve seen barreling around Napa without triggering a police presence, all signs point to these women being the “wrong” kind of visitors.

I’m just guessing here but it sounds like the group was disturbing other people who were also trying to enjoy themselves but couldn’t because of the noise. Warned twice and the group should have gotten the message. No excuse. I know how irritating loud people are, especially in a confined space you can’t escape from. In many countries you can’t even talk on your phone on a train because it disturbs others. Sounds like this group couldn’t take the hint so they decided to get a little publicity by raising the overused race card.

oh cut the race crap, the white privilege crap - it’s way over used. We are all getting tired of it.

what if you can’t leave?

This is ridiculous. I have been to many restaurants where one table was way over the top. We went to a restaurant years ago where one table was so loud that no one at my table could hear ourselves. They were white, we are white - race is irrelevant. You can be hooting and hollering in a way that is appropriate some places but not others. If 3 separate people complain, sorry, the subject of the complaints had better do some self-reflection. And this auto-racism shit is totally done. Just because someone complains about you and you are black, it may be the content of your character which is the problem, not the color of your skin. This happens in movie theatres all the time - one group or one individual does not know the difference between a movie at home and a movie in the theatre.

You probably have never been to a winery. So, I will pardon your ignorance. I go to them a lot, and no, just because you have a glass of wine, that does not excuse immature behavior. You should go to a winery, you will be amazed - people can enjoy wine without screaming at the top of their lungs. It’s amazing.

“overused”

When you grow up black in this country you get to say when race is “overused” until you do that you need to clamp your mandibles together. You know not of what you speak.

It’s booze tour, for heavens sake. Unless they were fighting or doing something that truly threatened the social order on the train, this sounds ridiculous.

And that happens, too. One just tries to shut it out.

Let me ask this question: How come I have no problem being quiet? Maybe I’m one of the X-Men and it’s an amazing super power not to be annoying.

“We thought the purpose of the Wine Train was to have a good time and enjoy being with a large group," Johnson told the newspaper.

The purpose certainly isn’t to drink the best Napa Valley wines and eat the best Napa Valley food. I’d boycott the Wine Train for what it did to these people, but I wouldn’t ride it in the first place.

Who is “we?” You sure as hell don’t speak for me.

I missed the part where these lovely ladies were being immature or screaming at the top of their lungs. Did you read that somewhere else or did you just pull that out of your ass?

I guess you didn’t read the part about being asked 3 times to quiet down. Hey, I remember 25 years ago, we were camping at Rocky Mountain. We were too loud, after 10 PM (quiet time). We were almost ejected by the rangers. It took my wife’s promising to shut us up to keep us there. We shut up and did not get ejected. Everyone can get out of control. Except only some people call it racism. It’s the content of the character, not the color of the skin, that matters. I’m surprised, in this day and age, that no video of the situation has surfaced. Certainly someone had to be videoing the situation.

Loud groups of people can be really annoying on things like the wine train where some people are trying to quietly enjoy the wine and scenery. Race has nothing to do with it. If a group of people wants to be loud: they should charter their own wine tour. It’s no difference than going to a nice restaurant for a quiet meal and having it ruined by someone’s screaming baby. Have some sensitivity to the other passengers.