Discussion: Will Conservatives Convince SCOTUS To Take A Major Swipe At Unions?

Bad things happen to scabs.

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Don’t allow this “lawyer” to fool ya’



Spoken like a dyed in the wool Reagan Democrat



~OGD~


Heads up: @emilianoelmexicano @WWSS

A few years ago, my school district employed a handful of teachers who claimed religious objections for not being part of the union. They, too, groused about the fair share dues. That was until one of the teachers was dismissed for proselytizing in class and insulting Muslim and Jewish students who had not “found Jesus.” The union saw no reason to advocate for her because she was not a member.

The next year, the remaining “fair sharers” joined the union. I am not sure how they reconciled that with their beliefs.

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Khaaannn:

I have said that for years. These people want to reap all the benefits of unionism without paying for representation. F— 'em.

I agree that there is a solution that limits the availability of collectively bargained benefits, including pay raises, to union members, but I dont think it will work if non-union members are then allowed to bargain individually with the school board or local government. I think that approach would easily allow a local government to break the union by separately negotiating higher pay outside the union contract. So, I think the legislation has to limit the salary of non-union members to their entry wage or to the salary in place prior to the newly bargained increase. In addition, I think the legislation would have to prevent game playing by limiting the collectively bargained salary increases to those who remain members of the union throughout the term of the contract. But your basic point is absolutely correct. If only union members get the benefit of the collective bargaining agreement, we will see a really nice increase in appreciation of organized labor.

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Whenever someone posits the argument that teachers unions should be abolished because they demand due process in the termination of substandard teachers, I ask the following question:

Does that mean that the US should eliminate the constitutionally protected right of legal representation because public defenders demand due process in the conviction of criminals?

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I was raised in a two union family in California and one of them was the teachers union, the other, the Carpenters.

What seemed normal growing up, I have realized is a huge employment benefit now, and that is union bennies, the full spectrum. As an adult, I only had it for three years and have been self-employed just about constantly since with only my own savings for retirement. I would’ve had two by now if I’d stayed in the union.

I joined at 17 and was getting two vacation checks a year and all the medical stuff. My dues were nothing compared to the benefits. And, I never needed the legal representation but that was always available.
The unions and the actual job weren’t all that at times but overall, it makes for a much better work environment and life.

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Websites save money by letting the readers proofread the stories.

“Conservative causes” means causes that directly result in lower government expenditures and lower taxes on the wealthy that make most of the money.

Bring back the 90% tax rate, in effect throughout the best years of the 20th century.

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Proceed, fuckwad.

Yea, everything else is perfect. FO.


Thanks for dropping this turd . . .

And your claim to fame related to unions is???

Before I retired I was an Employee Representative for both Patient Care Technical workers American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) and the Skilled Crafts State Employees Trade Council (SETC) at the University of California Los Angeles for over 15 years. Both unions followed the laws established within the Constitutional framework of the State of California.

The following that I had posted above (minus the portion stricken) was the same that we negoiated as an obligation to follow the laws of the State of California.

~OGD~

Jones Day is a very politically connected law firm. Its partners have had appointed positions, including cabinet secretary slots in every GOP administration since at least Eisenhower. Scalia was a Jones Day partner. because the firm was headquartered in Cleveland until its recent merger with a DC firm, this rather simple connection seemed to allude journalistic inspection of Scalia’s past when he was nominated. Jones Day is not an everyday corporate law firm and a connection there easily suggests ties to many different parts of the GOP business establishment.

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Doesn’t your handle say it all?

Which means those sites are semi-professional.

I hope you don’t live the rest of your life off making generalizations based on extremely narrow experience. Granted, using your approach, I could say you’re a blood-sucking leach on society that bloats yourself at others expenses with no benefit to anyone, only using the law as a tool of personal enrichment. However, that’s just the experience I had from one lawyer, so perhaps you don’t fit the bill.

Thankfully, it sounds like you have little to no other experience with unions. “A guard for the courts said they have to check our briefcases for paper so we aren’t taking jobs away from union members, therefore we should abolish all unions.” I don’t suppose you win many cases, huh?

So if they’re allowed to opt out of everything that’s not representation and bargaining, are they essentially arguing that their first amendment rights are violated by things like the union saying they want decent salaries, or by the union arguing against the firing of teachers who have beliefs these people don’t? Except they can also opt out of the whole thing by giving to charity, but maybe the idea of charity is forced speech?

I am as progressive as anyone on this site, but enough is enough. Union supporters don’t really understand that the teacher’s unions don’t just ‘negotiate’ for higher wages. They protect the weakest of the weak teachers
which directly impacts our children’s education. I know, I was named in a law suit by the union for wrongful termination. But after a year of legal fees - the tax payers paid - a judge issued a summary judgement in our favor
and the teacher was finally gone.The reason teachers don’t get paid what they should is for two basic reasons: 1. The unions protect the weak teachers and the taxpayers don’t want to have to foot the bill for poor teachers, 2. The taxpayers can easily pay teachers more
by raising taxes. But they don’t That’s how teachers ultimately will be paid more.