Discussion: Why The GOP Is Still Playing With Fire With Obamacare Repeal And Delay

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The GOP’s “plan” is revealed as a chimera.

The chickens come home to roost.

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I wonder if collapsing the health market would “shake things up” enough for the alt-right Republicans.

One thing we know will happen next year — health insurance is going way up for 2018, not only for people on the ACA, but especially for businesses and consumers. Plus, those Republican voters in the Midwest will get to donate some more for Congress’ and for Donald’s very fine, taxpayer-paid coverage.

Voters, pharma just ate your tax cut.

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Sanders can take joy in the “heightening of contrasts” which the next two years will provide.

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Open enrollment for 2017 started November 1, and people are signing up in record numbers.This year might be its biggest year yet. By the time Republicans get around to it they will not be throwing 22 million off their insurance. The number might be more like 35 million.

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The GOP congress controls the DT WH because they’re well organized and DT is not. Priebus has been planting Ryan friendly extremists throughout the gov’t, and he is rather deftly maneuvering around Bannon to make sure that the Ryan/McConnell/Koch wing control things.

The GOP Congress has also committed itself to repeal, no matter how crappy an idea it is. This is where I think the GOP’s connection to WWC can be broken. There is a point at which the ‘nonsense debt’ accumulated crashes the system. This is one of many such points. Committing to repealing Obamacare is like committing to tearing out the steering wheel of a moving car and expecting you can make it through a tunnel. The car might make it through, but it will be badly damaged. There is no logical reason to do this, but once committed to an essentially asinine task, the GOP can’t back down politically and save face, despite the fact that no one would really mind if there were no major changes to the system.

Despite being only 6 years in existence, people have taken Obamacare’s benefits for granted. They are as embedded in the culture as Medicare itself, because unlike Medicare, Obamacare affected everyone, and most can find 2 or 3 aspects of the legislation that they rely upon. At the end of the day, the people did not vote to have their lives disrupted in this manner.

The opportunity for DT is to stick it to the GOP Congress and simply refuse to sign any changes, claiming that it will hurt too many people and we need to think it through. He would earn a lot of bona fides with the working class if he did that, and he would unwittingly give a ‘white’ endorsement to Obamacare and remove the racial aspect to the opposition. However, in doing so, the GOP Congress would not take such a move lightly, and they will have their knives out for him and could start impeachment proceedings.

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The hardest part about any healthcare reform for GOPs is that their hearts aren’t in it and never have been. It is strictly a Democratic issue. GOPs have put themselves in the position of having to deal with it and owning what they do.

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That will be very interesting to watch. I have always suspected The GOP establishment has ways of taking advantage of Trumps Naivete, and he would unwittingly find himself doing their bidding much to the dismay of his supporters. I hope all hell breaks lose LOL!

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It’s not going to put them in any fucking box.

Did no one just watch a two term Senator, Secretary of State and former First Lady get beat by a lying, raping, white supremacist in orange face? They can and will say and do whatever the hell they want and the press will give them cover, they’ll bitch and moan about it, but they want access, they want Rudy and Kelley Anne and the rest of the hateful eight on their shows and they’ll play ball to get it.
We’re talking about a press corp that actually said out loud and with a straight face “It’s not my job to fact check.” We’re done people, we’re done here, I fully expect Kanye and Kim to be front runners in the 2020 election, this is all just entertainment now.

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Any Trump voter deserves to be buried alive.

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"It’s my own opinion that we should make a decisive move to repeal promptly with a trigger date so that all of us are motivated to come up with the best possible replacement plan,” Rep. Trent Franks (R-AZ) told TPM on the Hill prior to the Thanksgiving recess.

Emphasis mine.
Proof positive they never had a plan, you know, the one they’ve been saying they have the last 8 years.

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Except for the fact that this will hurt many of those we love including posters here.

(I’m with you on the burn it down on one level but it not only hurts Deplorables, it hurts loved ones so I have to stop short where the rubber meets the road.)

late edit: I’m going to lose my affordable health insurance too, but I’m blessed (so far) to have good health and can take the hit for awhile, meaning if I have to go without, I can, but others have a vital need for it.

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Republicans in charge of all 3 branches of government, all federal agencies, and most state governments. What could possibly go wrong with programs that should benefit all Americans, especially those in most need? Medicare, Medicaid, ACA, Social Security, education, research - just trust us.

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They don’t care.

RepubliKKKlans love to see people suffer.

They see it as a way to drive them back into the churches.

And we know how this will play out–we saw what happened in Kentucky when Bevin killed Kynect–even more voters cast RepubliKKKlan ballots.

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Now that the GOP has the power to do what they want with the ACA they cannot resist putting their hands into the fire. They have been obsessed with destroying the ACA for years and nothing not even sanity will keep them from pressing on. Whatever the results they will own it but at least is will be over.

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Getting rid Obama care should fuck over almost as many people as getting rid of medicare…so many mixed emotions…

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It’s not going to be over by a long shot. The RepubliKKKlan Bullshit Machine will continue to whip Obama hatred up because that is the glue that holds the Party together.

The same people benefitting from the ACA will blame Obama for taking it away from them. They won’t blame the RepubliKKKlans at all.

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It is not easy when you have to actually run things, make decisions, govern — if the GOP cannot do something that has been moving relatively slow, it is really scary to think what will happen if there is a crisis that demands quick decisions and actions. –

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The delay element allows ACA foes to claim that they’re not just kicking millions of people off the insurance rolls without putting into place some sort of transition period and ultimately a replacement plan.

Of course they hope those undergoing cancer treatments, as an example, that will be stopped/delayed without health coverage just get up and die. That will be a win win for the budget.

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Amen brother! Don’t forget the silver stake in the heart either.