Discussion: Why GOP 2016ers Are Tied In Knots Over Replacing Obamacare

They have generated so much resentment in their ranks that there is no energy to offer anything substantive to replace ACA. In fact, the only reason they suggest any plan to replace it is because they know not to talk of it is a sure loser. Still, their preference is to do nothing but get rid of it. Suggestions of credits and health savings accounts are pure Republicanism; easily cost controllable plans that would cost them little, put the onus fully on citizens, and accomplish nothing but allow them to say “We offered a plan”.

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while what Carly Fiorina has put out amounts to state control of high risk pools – an expensive idea that has been blocked by conservative sin (sic) the past.

Is this a Freudian slip? There is a bunch of conservative sin in the past, and if we believe a third of what the Klown Kar Kandidates have to say there will be plenty in the future to go with it.

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i think it was Chuck Todd who said words to the effect that if they cross examine these jerks, they won’t come back as guests I believe him. . He just confirmed what I’ve always suspected.

And the Sunday morning talk shows have something like 80% GOP or conservative guests who have effectively been handed the pulpit to preach the gospel of GOP and the same falderal they’ve been spewing since the days of Coolidge.

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One day a week with nothing but facts from Scarborough would be a huge improvement over what he’s doing now.

…while armed to the teeth and noting that the basket of fish, is his, so, Hands off!

Their ‘plan’ isn’t a plan at all, it’s to repeal ACA and things can go back the way they were, when people got sick & had no insurance, or had their insurance canceled, & when often a family had to file bankruptcy due to medical bills. This is the TRUTH, they just don’t give a fuck, and I don’t see that changing any time soon.

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This is probably why they haven’t changed Senate cloture rules. So even if they control both houses and the Presidency, they can still allow Senate Dems to shut them down and wriggle out of the promise they made to their base.

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Exactly!

I hope they they abolish Obamacare and since nobody should be getting subsidies they should take the tax breaks for employer provided insurance.

A few years of that and we will be taking of Medicare for all, which is the right way to move, complete with caps on physicians fees and death panels.

The PPACA is the plan the GOPers might’ve passed a generation ago, but certainly not in the last 10-20 years – because they had every chance to do so in the early Aughts and didn’t think it was a priority.

Just listen to their rhetoric and realize they never saw a problem with pre-existing condition denials or retroactive rescissions. Nor any problem with those junk insurance policies, or annual or lifetime benefit caps.

The GOP plan is simply the status quo ante – that which was before. No guaranteed issue, a rapidly disappearing individual and small-group insurance market, and increasingly shitty insurance overall. “Exploit people, soak 'em” is the GOP mantra. Or, as Rep. Alan Grayson put it, the GOP plan is don’t get sick, and if you do get sick, die quickly."

I think if anything, people underestimate the fundamental cruelty and heartlessness of today’s Republican party. They. Do. Not. Care. Who. Dies.

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How about if we just have all those who are too poor to afford health care on the open market run for the GOP presidential nomination? There appears to be a great deal of money in that.

I wonder what the life insurance actuaries have to say about ACA. What effect has it had on death rate and life expectancy?

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Replacing the ACA with “freedom” from health care is a lot like replacing food stamps with “freedom” from food. His governing style sounds a lot like “Hey, not my problem!”

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No one has ever accused you of thinking, have they?

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Republican health care plan? As in, anything besides “vaginal wand”? That’s the only part they’d care about.

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The GOP has had no ideas since 1929, when it gave us the Great Depression.

Thanks!

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The problem is that the GOP can (and probably will) come up with a plan that will not work. When this fact is brought up, most people will have doubts about the facts, and just write it off as political bias. HRC will not make any headway if this is a major focus. Way too nuanced for the general electorate.

The details have been scant as to what the GOP presidential candidates – who have uniformly railed against the Affordable Care Act – intend to enact in its place.

They will replace it with nothing, they’ll just let people chose from all of the great insurances plans offered by private companies like the good old days.

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What Paul is pointing out in short is that the ACA is already as free-market and right wing as it can possibly be and not immediately fall apart, which is what would happen with any change in the Republican direction. This is why they never propose any real alternative after years of promising they will any minute now. That is also why it’s such a complicated Rube Goldbergian scheme.

I don’t get the TINA part though, and one NYT commenter didn’t either but no one explained.

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Maybe they could email Mitt Romney and ask for his plan.

Oh right, when he lost in 2012 he stopped trying to come up with one.