Discussion: WaPo: Trump Admin Surges Birth Certificate-Based Passport Denials, Revocations

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How many US citizens are getting denied passports? This is insane.

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yet

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/11/russians-paying-big-money-to-have-their-babies-born-in-us.html

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That’s where things get interesting. Until 1924, there were virtually no immigration policies. There was no such thing as a “visa.” Did my grandfather immigrate “illegally?” Well, he certainly had no paperwork, but that wasn’t required in 1903 when he arrived in NY. You got on a boat, sailed to NY, and melted away into the crowd.

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Anchor Babies, Komrade, Anchor Babies.

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Not just denied passports. Apparently some of them have been deported!

I have no words.

Edit: entered into deportation proceedings. No evidence in article of completed deportations (yet)

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Try having a grandfather (head packrat) that has his side of the family back to England, I guess I’ll hold on to those boxes.
Father’s side German and mother’s side mostly English, but when my sister did the DNA testing 7% southern European turned up. Do I need to worry?

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From the article

“Attorneys say these cases, where the government’s doubts about an official birth certificate lead to immigration detention, are increasingly common. “I’ve had probably 20 people who have been sent to the detention center — U.S. citizens,” said Jaime Diez, an attorney in Brownsville.

So at least twenty in detention but no evidence (so far) of any actual deportations

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Not as much as I do. A bunch of North Germans and Highland Scots, but when my brother had his DNA tested, the results coughed up a much-higher-than-average percentage of Neanderthal genes, as in “more than 92% of people.” Cave shenanigans, it would appear.

ETA: Makes me feel all “grunty.”

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Hence - Wops.
With Out Papers.

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Time to donate to the ACLU again. They appear to be on the front lines of this battle.

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Dear Effing God! Just after Dumpsterfire revokes Obama’s security clearance, he’ll try to deport him to Kenya…
(I’ve noticed that lately the Onion sometimes doesn’t bother to change the details of the story before they publish).

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From the WaPo article:
“Eventually, the applicants typically win those cases, after government attorneys raise a series of sometimes bizarre questions about their birth. “For a while, we had attorneys asking the same question: ‘Do you remember when you were born?’ ” Diez said. “I had to promise my clients that it wasn’t a trick question.””

Our tax dollars at work!

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Obviously a Geico customer.

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Given the 14th Amendment’s provision on birthright citizenship, the burden should be on the government. And the burden should be high.

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And as for those whose families were here in Baja Arizona long before the US moved in and took over, I suppose Trump thinks they should be deported for failure to migrate?

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Re non-whites whose citizenship is questioned. You can’t be more “American” than a Navajo:

(Navajo) Arizona legislator Eric Descheenie accused of being “illegal”: http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/371150-arizona-state-lawmakers-claim-trump-supporters-questioned-them-on-their

Navajos without birth certificates: http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news/acquiring-birth-certificates-a-struggle-for-some-navajos/article_04e5e48e-10b1-11e4-9e87-001a4bcf887a.html

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All I could think of after reading this article was…

… I’m next.

Because if state-issued birth certificates are considered invalid and the onus is on the citizen to prove his citizenship (rather than the government to prove that specific birth certificate is fraudulent), they can revoke citizenship from anyone they want.

And given how many people, INCLUDING Democrats/liberal leaning folks, ask me “where I’m from,” there’s enough people in this country who don’t think I (and people who look like me) am an American, or at least not as fully American as they are, that the administration will be able to get this done, as long as they ramp up slowly and under the radar.

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Shades of the well-known (in legal circles, at least) legend of the pre-1803 title search: The Louisiana Land Title Legend: Here's What We Know | Snopes.com

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Where would you deport them TO? A country has to accept them as their citizen. I don’t think India would accept me back as their citizen.

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Depends. Would you be willing to go by “Greg,” and take tech help calls?

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