Yeah I’m complete agreement with that. This has turned into something other than what I thought it was about, which was men using their power over certain women to humiliate them. That’s not the intent behind these “touching” incidents.
This was supposed to be liberating for women and it has veered off into an entirely different direction of some kind of standard of behavior that is not going to be any fun, from what I can tell. I don’t think we’re well served in our relations between the sexes if nobody can ever relax.
You can call me Puritanical and Humorless if you want; I do not care. Just do not put your hand six inches up my shirt, as GK admitted he did and knew it was creepy and apologized.
And while we’re at it, an apology does not grant absolution; guilty is guilty.
And sure, one tries to remain “friends” or be civil; women are always trying to make things “all right.” …Right up until that day when they are just tired of rationalizing for their men. Looks like that day has just recently arrived for a lot of women.
In my experience, we’re gonna have a lot of blow back from these guys, upset they are losing their adolescent and entitled dominance.
Good luck with that. We are not going back to your good old days.
I didn’t call you anything - you called yourself that by identifying with it.
Why are you lecturing me about being a woman? You think somehow I missed out on that in 66 years of being one and in a man’s game the whole time I worked?
I sincerely doubt that there is going to be anything new coming out about Keillor. He’s just a known as…ole. He was likely “harassing” everyone without discriminating for gender. And really didn’t need sex to do it. And that’s why he didn’t disclose that he was under an investigation. In his view, the WaPo editors didn’t need to know. He’s more important to them than they are to him (in his view).
Incidentally, I think of Keillor as one of the few ethos writers for America, and losing him is a big deal.
On that note, even if (IF) there are more allegations, his column raised some valid and important questions. We need to start scrutinizing this “#MeToo” business. Because it clearly crossed to the territory of eating babies!
On the other hand I can see WaPo position too. They are at the front lines of the fight for democracy itself. Look what GOP did with Franken allegations. The GOP managed to convince their voters that there is an equivalence of sorts between Franken and Moore. For sheer clarity of their position WaPo doesn’t need that fight right now. It’s far more expedient to just let Keillor go.
When, how?
Who has lost a job/position where it wasn’t warranted? [of every other instance where we learn more. Spacey and Conyers didn’t originally look job loss worthy]
If we start basing our actions on what the GOP is able to convince their base of then we really may as well be eating babies.
But I see plenty of people all over who can’t seem to make those distinctions. I don’t care about Trump’s base = I look at those people as infected with a kind of virus and the prognosis isn’t good.
His phrase “and my hand went up six inches” etc…as if on it’s own accord? Completely unattached to his brain? To me that’s an obvious effort to cover his entitled male act, which is that he can touch without permission, grab without permission. Ugh.
We’re required to reconcile two opposite and competing absolutes here: the right of victims to be heard and taken at face value and the right of the accused to be presumed innocent until they’ve had their day in court and the preponderance of evidence tips the scales against them. It’s never going to be easy.
Democrats are in a precarious position and have to project 0 tolerance. Pelosi is calling for Conyers to resign but waited until allegations were clearer.
What gets said about Franken by Democrats on the news is bigger than Franken. Most elected Dems, liberal pundits and Franken himself understand this. If he’s done something that warrants him resigning I believe his peers will call for his resignation and I’d like to believe he’ll choose himself to resign. Otherwise they need to make clear allegations will be taken seriously and not give any validity to arguments/excuses/tactics used to deflect blame or invalidate victims.
The right wingers are eager to see democrats say something in defense of one of their colleagues that they can use to undermine progress around this moment of reckoning. They want people to worry it’s gotten out of hand, same old ‘political correctness outa control’ line used in every other civil rights backlash.
Until we know that people are losing jobs for ‘misunderstandings’ or false claims, nothing has gotten out of hand but the usual RW tactics.
Except nobody else has said he ever did such a thing.
One woman only so that doesn’t qualify him right now as a predator or entitled, though as the star of the show for years and years I’m sure he felt some entitlement in some areas.
During the campaign the Democrats, Hillary and President Obama were more or less tricked into insisting the election was not rigged by Trump’s continual suggesting that it was. Well, it was - but we have to fight the reality that they all insisted it wasn’t.
We get backed into a zero tolerance situation and here comes Tawana Brawley again. We do not have to rain down fire on every Democrat accused of something to keep up some false moral equivalency - that is playing right to them.
And in subtle ways it erodes women’s place in working and professional life.
Not one congressional Democrat currently accused of any form of sexual harassment/assault has stepped down. And only after serious credible allegations surfaced (adding to multiple other allegations ranging in type) did many of Conyers peers begin asking him to resign. I do not know of a single Franken peer that has said he should resign based on what is known.
I was asking for examples of ‘who and what’ or in what manner, people couldn’t distinguish between Franken & Moore allegations.
