Discussion: UK Parliament Narrowly Rejects Holding Second Brexit Referendum

There were audible ‘oohs’ when that vote tally was revealed. I hear this may come up again next week and if it does, I think this vote is a decent indication that it will pass.

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“First you say you do and then you don’t…
then you say you will and then you won’t…”

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Well damn just damn…Comments finally working again!!!
edited to add well just on this one post :grimacing:

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Aren’t they running out of time? I thought the EU was holding elections in May and required Britain to get this settled before then.

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This article is weird. It says vote for new referendum was defeated in the headline, and in the body says a move to delay was defeated.

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Confused here too.

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The article says the vote was to “postpone” the departure so they can try to come up with an alternative to the PM’s divorce deal. They won’t be able to create an alternative before the current deadline (March 29), so any new referendum would also require a delay/postponement. I don’t think they are in conflict per se, though it could have been more clearly stated.

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Too bad they’re not working many of today’s previous posts. Some good stuff there.

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Really, the only way out of this stagnant mess is to revote, as far as I can see. If Brexit fails, that hopefully puts an end to all this and things can get back to close to normal, but if it passes again, then so be it. Biggest self own of all time.

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Is it just me or is trying to read articles when the posting is disabled kind of like living in a darkened and dimmed world? You can still see, but the joy has been distilled down.

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No not just you, changes the site totally…

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It does change it = we’re the sparkle, the flash, the longer explanations and extra links for stories. We flesh them out and give them color and detail in the comments.

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The House of Commons voted 314-312 against a call to postpone Britain’s departure and rearrange Parliament’s timetable so that lawmakers could try to find an alternative to Prime Minister Theresa May’s rejected Brexit divorce deal.

Okay, wow this article is confused (AP article, not TPM’s fault). Here’s what happened today, as near as this Yank can tell from reading BBC.com:

(For consistency, Imma list ‘yes’ votes first, always)

Vote for 2nd Referendum: FAILED 85 - 334 (lots of abstentions) (what headline is referring to)
Vote to extend Brexit only to June 30: FAILED 311 - 314
Vote to allow MPs to take charge of parliamentary schedule: FAILED 312 - 314 (what AP article is referring to)
Vote on Labour amendment which would do the following:

  • reject the prime minister’s deal
  • reject no-deal
  • seek an extension of Article 50 to avoid no-deal on 29 March
  • seek an extension of Article 50 “to provide parliamentary time for this House to find a majority for a different approach”

FAILS 302 - 318

Vote to delay Article 50 past 3/29: PASSES 412 - 202

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Thanks for that, but I’m still not sure I understand what they agreed to and what they didn’t. Then again, I’m not sure MPs do either.

Although voting on Mays plan a third time is close to the textbook definition of insanity

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Here’s the full text of the Government Motion that just passed:

That this house:

(1) notes the resolutions of the house of 12 and 13 March, and accordingly agrees that the government will seek to agree with the European Union an extension of the period specified in article 50(3);

(2) agrees that, if the house has passed a resolution approving the negotiated withdrawal agreement and the framework for the future relationship for the purposes of section 13(1) (b) of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 by 20 March 2019, then the government will seek to agree with the European Union a one-off extension of the period specified in article 50(3) for a period ending on 30 June 2019 for the purpose of passing the necessary EU exit legislation; and

(3) notes that, if the house has not passed a resolution approving the negotiated withdrawal agreement and the framework for the future relationship for the purposes of section 13(1)(b) of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 by 20 March 2019, then it is highly likely that the European council at its meeting the following day would require a clear purpose for any extension, not least to determine its length, and that any extension beyond 30 June 2019 would require the United Kingdom to hold European parliament elections in May 2019.

I’d describe it as wandering about in a cold wispy fog, looking for companions to bring hope, humor and pithy insights to the news of the day.

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It is rather like working in a room full of Republicans. You can see something interesting, but there’s no one interesting to discuss it with.

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Here’s the BBC’s report on the vote:

One complicating factor in delaying BREXIT - every member of the European Union has to approve the requested delay - a single no vote means a hard BREXIT on 29 March unless Parliament changes its mind and approves May’s deal.

That’s why I put up the post in the Hive to make sure they knew and were working on the problem. We add a lot to what’s written in the articles in our comments, which are mostly well thought out. It sometimes leads to real gems of information about the story, or to interesting asides that you wouldn’t know about otherwise. TPM really should make sure that the comments are bulletproof and work well, it’s one of the best draws the site has.

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