Discussion: Trump, White House Offer Limited Denials Of Reports Of Limiting Kavanaugh Probe

That is why W is working behind the scenes to pressure the GOP Senators to vote for this POS, I hope his daughters are proud.

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You know, obviously this is very meaningful news that speaks to the uncertainty about our continuing as a nation that adheres to the rule of law. I get that. But damn, can’t they put up something about how the president of the United States told a crowd that he “fell in love” with a thirtysomething and evidently male bloodthirsty dictator of a nuclear-armed rogue state? Can’t we have a bit of fun on an official thread about that? It’s been a very stressful week. :angry:

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It is a typical Spanky project.

Yes indeed. God Almighty, you have to watch these f’ing people every f’ing moment of the day. Turn your back for a moment and they’re stealing something. They give new meaning to ‘moving the goal posts’. And if you did score a goal, did time expire first? And who’s keeping the time? Well, that’s a national security issue. I’m sure you all understand.

MUELLER!!!

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Kellyanne: “Only the ruthlessly partisan Democrat Party would accuse the White House of trying to limit the FBI probe of Judge Keggernaugh…er, I mean, Kavanaugh.”

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These GOP senators now have one week more to hear from enraged constituents, women in their own families, and now Kavanaugh as national joke and laughingstock after his performance. It’s going to be a long seven days for them. They’re all probably praying he’ll withdraw so they don’t have to go on record … but he won’t.

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Maybe one day in the very near future they may get their story line straight, but I’m not counting on it.

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[quote=“mattinpa, post:22, topic:78248”]
the president of the United States told a crowd that he “fell in love” with a thirtysomething and evidently male bloodthirsty dictator of a nuclear-armed rogue state?
[/quote]As Woody Allen so eloquently said, “the heart wants what it wants.”

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Several lawyers who should know say that, post-Watergate, rules prevent the WH from exercising this kind of authority. I believe there may only be ( significant) political pressure, but without the force of an order. Additionally, Trump’s tweet has legal significance.

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The media often allows two sets of facts to exist in the same universe, it’s not like Tapper did a great job here.

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what are people making of kellyanne coming out as an assault survivor?

My thought exactly. If Trump’s tweet is part of the presidential record, he’s just said the FBI has the latitude to interview whoever they want. (Not that they’ll talk to everyone, but at least the ability is there.) And can there please be FBI agents who are sick of being undermined who will take that brief seriously?

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There has been a lot of back and forth on the meaning of the Trump tweet, but to me it’s pretty clear (and at least 1 DOJ official from the Obama era agrees with this view):

  • Trump’s tweet is an official Presidential statement. It overrides anything that was said before it.
  • The tweet itself provides no limitations on what the FBI can do.
  • The FBI is free to use its discretion and even more free to ignore Donald McGahn. McGahn is not the President, has no legal authority and is only relevant to the extent that he is communicating the wishes of the President. He is not doing so in this particular matter.

If you read/listen to Kellyanne Conway’s comments carefully, they are throwing Donald McGahn under the bus and telling him he can’t interfere. Her public statement in that interview with Jake Tapper is a message to the FBI that whatever he says is not the word of the President.

So, from the FBI’s perspective, I don’t think there is any confusion here on legal authority. The real issue is whether the FBI will do a full review in line with what it would do in the typical case. If there is ‘rigging’ or circumscribing going on, it will be because of the FBI’s own decisions, not anything to do with the WH.

I’d also add that having Trump issue that tweet right about the time that SNL aired plus Kellyanne Conway make such a statement are big messages to Kavanaugh: You’re on your own.

Keep in mind that George Conway and Brett Kavanaugh go way, way back. They were conspiring to funnel grand jury information to right wing groups and plaintiffs represented by Conway and others, and to provide info and leads going the other way to enable Ken Starr to cook up ways to expand and extend the actual witch hunt investigation into Bill Clinton.

If Kellyanne is on national tv saying this to Kavanaugh it means that Kavanaugh has no help.

If one can picture a conversation in the Kavanaugh breakfast nook this morning, it’s about weighing a withdrawal from consideration. He can go back to the appeals court, cool things down and hope to avoid additional inquiries, resign a few months later from the federal bench and find his true calling as a Fox commentator and make double the money. This is a family that essentially lives pretty much pay check to pay check. Even crooks like Manafort ended up being guided by family concerns at the end. I suspect Kavanaugh will have to be weighing that as well. I also don’t discount the role of the Bush family. Kavanaugh’s wife worked for Bush in various roles (personal secretary, foundation). While I think Bush and Trump are both horrible presidents, I do think the Bush folks have a sense of loyalty to those who are part of their crew. I think this would be the time that they might reach out to the Kavanaughs and say, ‘withdraw. we’ll take care of you’.

The alternative is to stay the course but that comes with big risks. The FBI does not mess around. The Democrats are certain to make criminal referrals on perjury once they get gavels. This will not be the end of it even if he makes it to the high court. I don’t think Brett Kavanaugh is very mature (Matt Damon pretty much nailed who he is) but his wife strikes me as having at least an ounce of sense. Just like with the defendants in the Trump Russia matter, I do think reality hits at some point.

For Kavanaugh, he had to be deflated that Mitch couldn’t get a floor vote and opted for the FBI review. Now, Trump can’t control the FBI review and is arguably telling the FBI that he’s not interfering. For a sensible person, the writing is on the wall and the paint is drying. Time to jet, Brett.

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Limitless limitations!

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I’m not a fan of Jeff Flake, but I do believe he was trying to find a way to satisfy the demands for a FBI investigation into the people who were mentioned as having important knowledge about Kavanaugh. The test for Flake and other Republicans will be when the Senate votes on this. If they decide to ignore Kavanaugh’s obvious lack of any quality needed by a Supreme Court justice, just to gain approval by the idiot President we have, then I will concede that Flake and his fellow Republicans are much worse than phony. Then I will conclude that they are strongly anti-American, tantamount to treasonous a** h***s.

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I think they are all in, the goose is cooked and no amount of protest is going to change anything.

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… it’s reckless to assume that any Republican nominee isn’t a rapist of women.

Its a given that they’re raping the country. That’s why electing a traitor to the Presidency doesn’t bother them.

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So much limiting.

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Well, at least he didn’t limit Infrastructure Week. That would be the last straw!

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I consider myself a Flake cynic. I take a very freakonomics view of politicians. I judge folks by what they do, not what they say or how they say it.

In Flake’s case, there was an intervening event between his first statement supporting Kavanaugh and the second statement on the FBI inquiry: Joe Donnelly’s declaration that he was a ‘no’.

When that happened, Flake and Mitch both realized that the GOP did not have the votes. That’s when Flake decided he wanted to get in on the game and entertain the FBI inquiry matter. The only reason Mitch agreed to it is because he did not have the votes.

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It’s Session’s DOJ, anyway. So, that investigation is going to be flawed.

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