Discussion: Trump Transition Staffer Makes Case For Impeachment Based On Mueller Findings

[evave2]

He has what I call a thin reedy voice. (My spec is that he and Ivanka consider themselves Princes(s) of the City and everybody in NYC finds them repulsive.)

[abogado]

I wonder if McConnell could find a way to not convene the hearings.

[ignoreland]

@euglena4056

I’d still like to know what happens in the Senate should Articles of Impeachment be voted for by the House. Who runs the trial? Do both parties get to bring their own witnesses? etc.

Seems to me anybody in favor of impeachment would want to know that all the right witnesses would be brought forward, that Trump would be compelled to testify, as Clinton did, that there’s a good chance (even via SCOTUS) that all the relevant documents would be made available, etc.

If the Clinton process is any kind of example, the House has “managers” who bring the case against the president. They already have the witnesses and documentation of the high crimes and misdemeanors. The president has had his opportunity to have his case made in front of the Select Committee examining the evidence, and an attorney to argue his side. Clinton’s attorney, IIRC, made the case that what he had done did not rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors, but I doubt Dump’s could do anything more than tap dance and juggle until the flight to Azerbaijan is fueled up.

[rollinnolan]

@maximus

“There is a point, though, at which that expectation turns from a mix of loyalty and pragmatism into something more sinister, a blind devotion that serves to enable criminal conduct.”

That is the modern day Republican party, in a nutshell. There are cracks in the GOP support of Trump and that alone should cause us joy.

[hardyweinberg]

Traitorous weasel

[ignoreland]

The process has started. Subpoenas for witnesses who can testify about his misdeeds are going out. The Mueller Report, regardless of Barr’s obstruction, has been released and has given plenty of handholds to grasp the magnitude of his high crimes and misdemeanors. I join probably 90% of the people here who want to see him hauled into the dock tomorrow, but this death by a thousand cuts is driving him to flail around as the process grinds its way slowly, as it should.

[rollinnolan]

@marby

OT: Jared Kushner is being questioned right now at the Time.com Summit in NYC.

The fact that they are putting “the Prince of the City” out there shows how terrified they all are. He comes off as a light weight and he is the best they have.

[epicurus]

@rollinnolan

He comes off as a light weight and he is the best they have.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck…he is so light-weight he practically floats.

[trnc]

@ignoreland

Clinton’s attorney, IIRC, made the case that what he had done did not rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors, but I doubt Dump’s could do anything more than tap dance and juggle until the flight to Azerbaijan is fueled up.

McConnell won’t schedule a trial, so it’s a moot point.

[coimmigrant]

@evave2

Does McConnell have to bring it up for a vote or can he shit-can it like he is with all bills passed in the House?

From the Senate Rules Sitting on Impeachment Trials:

“Upon such articles [of Impeachment] being presented to the Senate, the Senate shall, at 1 o’clock afternoon of the day (Sunday excepted) following such presentation, or sooner if ordered by the Senate, proceed to the consideration of such articles and shall continue in session from day to day Sundays excepted) after the trial shall commence (unless otherwise ordered by the Senate) until final judgment shall be rendered,”

But we’re talking about McConnell, who is not bound by rules.

[thunderclapnewman]

@coimmigrant

But we’re talking about McConnell, who is not bound by rules.

There is no wiggle room for Mitch in that quote from the Constitution.

[dave48]

Unfortunately, those who bankroll him “Fall In Line For His Reelection Fight.”

At a certain point all the money in the world won’t save him. Once those who are funding him realize he’s a lost cause, their contributions to him will dry up faster than fish heads in the Kalahari.

[dave48]

@docd

So this is one the rats who have recognized that the ship is sinking.

More like a rat willing to gnaw another hole in the bottom of the ship before abandoning it completely.

[seamus42]

I’ve never really cared much for this level of realism in paintings.

[jacksonhts]

How do you know we lost the 2004 election because of that particular factor?

I mean, other than Matt Taibbi, possibly, who thinks this was the actual cause? And what was the public’s feeling on the War at the time? I would say we lost the 2004 elections because a draft dodger incumbent was able to Swift Boat a Vietnam War Hero, given FOX News,Right Wing Talk Radio and the gullibility of Republican Base and just enough non Republican voters. And we also maybe lost because John Edwards is a douchebag and it became crystal clear during the campaign what a magnitude of douchebag he was. And maybe we lost because we were at war in Afghanistan, and people were gonna support W. And besides Katrina hadn’t happened yet so there was still this belief that the Republicans were good at doing things and running the economy and National Defense. And even if they sucked at all those mythical things, IOKIYAR was becoming recognized as a law of Physics.

[jacksonhts]

You do realize you have just forced me to go out and buy a blueberry pie. Which is probably the least readable- through- a -thin- slice- kind of pie. Should have bought Key Lime or something lighter.

[mattinpa]

For reading through I’d try pumpkin. You can go pretty thin. Try the supermarket kind, not homemade.

[fiftygigs]

there’s enough here to get the impeachment process started

Quite frankly, I’m sick and tired of listening to Republicans, especially when they’re lecturing us about what we ought to do.

Shut the hell up, and release the full report.

[cervantes]

@mattinpa

Law school professor, though. He makes a living thinking about things from the compartmentalized perspective of the legal system. And he never liked Trump at all, from the beginning. He represents a slice of the pie so thin you could read through it.

On the one hand, he got his J. D. at Harvard.

But on the other hand he teaches at the Antonin Scalia Law School (George Mason University), informal HQ of the Federalist Society.

[longtimeobserver]

Hold that thought!