Discussion: Trump Issues Maximal Demands for DACA Deal

There is nothing in the rules about national governance that says you should have fair or efficient allocation of resources. Keynes was all for economic efficiency, but the British aristocracy could have cared less. Lady Cynthia Asquith (Asquither?), for example, called him “an ugly devil, but said to be a financial genius.” The US could easily slip into a different political economy model as long as the Lady Asquiths of the world are not inconvenienced. Digital feudalism anyone?

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Just another day in the spotlight for Trumpy .

More conservative taxes.

How long will Republicans put up with this robbery?

Oh I so agree
I really need counseling too.
I am at the Gym and his visage appears on several of the TV screens with his latest affront to the human race.
I find myself overcome with a burning seething anger that I have never felt against anyone or any institution in my 65 years.
You begin to understand extremism as a function of helplessness.
You keep wanting someone to wake you up from this nightmare.

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Uh, stuff like this from about a month ago:

“He likes us,” Schumer said, referring to Mr. Trump. “He likes me, anyway.”

and this:

“Schumer, Pelosi say deal reached with Trump for DACA protections”

According to Leonard Cohen, there are six stages of a man’s allure to women as he ages:

“A friend and I had a conversation about the stages a man goes through in relation to his allure to the opposite sex. It was not a scientific evaluation. Just something that arose over a cup of coffee. It went something like this. You start off irresistible. And then you become resistible. Then you become transparent. Not exactly invisible, but as if you’re seen through old plastic. And then you do actually become invisible. And then— and this is the most amazing transformation— you become repulsive. But that’s not the end of the story. After repulsive, you become cute. And that’s where I am.”

This is sessions numbnut Miller felling the childboy drumpf’s miniscule brain…'Dreamers’as hostages to his fake promise of a wall…Fu (k off and die , fat old lying fraud and fool.

Drumpf was never cute!

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Some of Trump’s demands sound reasonable. But who will pay for the wall? Mexico? No way. Trump is a failure when it comes to his election promises. In the meantime, the “dreamers” contribute to America’s well being but Trump doesn’t like it. His racist thinking is opposed to all that is America.

And who is preventing the Russians from rigging the 2018 elections?

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Blaming Dems has gotten old. It never made sense in the first place. We keep hearing about people like Bannon, Limbaugh, and Trump who are made happy by liberal tears, but I haven’t heard many people point out that this is maladaptive behavior in the extreme. We hear that the Dems have abandoned the workers of America without ever hearing who blocked any attempts to support them.
The Republicans are so disturbed that they can’t even admit to themselves or anyone else that they have put the future of the party, the country and the entire world into the hands a man so petty that he uses children as a way to salve his ego. They don’t just have a different point of view than Dems do–they have become everything that decent people abhor.

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Unfortunately, I still don’t see the groundswell against Trump. Yes, reasonable, intelligent people will shun him, but not necessarily vote. His base of toothless goobers, old white people and the largely uninformed will still follow like the lemmings that they are. The big money just keeps rolling in for him.

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We have only lost the White House, Senate, Congress, Supreme Court, and 35 Governorships and 67 State Legislatures.

Blaming the Democrats has not gotten old. The failed Democratic political leadership has.

It is far beyond the time for a change, and it is probably too late.

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Perhaps they believe fueling social unrest enhances their re-election prospects.

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We’re reaching an inversion of 1860, whereby the federal government is so repulsive that any remaining strongholds of decency will have to de facto secede.

@santiagoPerhaps they believe fueling social unrest enhances their re-election prospects.

Bingo! Not to mention the interests of a certain short, balding, ex-KGB officer.

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Nonsense. As is the narrative that some are trying to create that Trump has initiated negotiations now. Schumer and Pelosi laid down the card on this first…Absolutely no wall, and a clean DACA bill. They did that several weeks ago (and made the position on any wall funding crystal clear months ago…it ain’t happening).

What are they supposed to do? Trump ripped up Obama’s DACA EO, so now all the Dreamers are at serious risk. Should they not tell him, or speak about their goals to protect these young people, because he might counter offer with some insane nonsense?

Trying to lay Trump’s demand at the Democratic feet requires logic more twisted than any pretzel I have seen.

Which, is itself, an attempt to tell everyone that disagrees with you, to shut up. Conflicting opinions are espoused here daily. And all people concerned are quite able to respond and defend their comments. If a lot of people don’t like a comment…maybe its because its not a great comment?

The irony of that statement, when one of the constant feeds from naysayers…for years…has been “Dems in Disarray! Why can’t they ever get it together?!!” is quite rich.

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Maybe this will wake Pelosi and Schumer the fuck up to the reality of this unstable man.

And what, exactly would you have them do differently? They kept the Democrats together and tanked the Health Care Reform THREE times. They won’t vote for proposals that don’t fit their agenda. Should they have refused to raise the Debt Limit and provide funds to help with the victims of Hurricane Harvey (the one time they cut a deal with Trump) simply because Trump agreed? If they can get a fair deal because Trump wants to be patted on the back for working in a bipartisan manner, then they take the FAIR deal.

Jeeze, they don’t control the House or the Senate, don’t blame them for the mess, they have held their people firm, and stopped as much as they could.

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Since it’s already clear that (almost) all of the economic effects of DACA are positive – more taxable earnings, more economic activity etc – Short can only mean that trump needs to tank the economy and thinks a border wall will help him do that. (Which it likely would)

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Jeeze, they don’t control the House or the Senate,

Jeeze, how did that come about?

ETA: OT, and I know they’re friends but has anyone heard Hillary’s condemnation of Harvey Weinstein yet? Hillary, are you there?

It takes a special kind of person to want to persecute 800,000 innocent young people for political purposes. Evidently, the Republicans are special.

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