Discussion: Trump Holds 17-Point Lead In Post-Debate South Carolina Poll

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sorry… my dog actually did die yesterday…

if Donnie Dipstick actually won and got his way, sort of fantasizing now in a darkly depressed way, would he try to appoint Caribou Barbie to the Supreme Court? and would she quit halfway thru her life?

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I knew he wouldn’t tank after Saturday, but I thought he would at least drop a bit. Also, Jeb went down after his best debate by far!

If you didn’t watch the debate, I would recommend it. It was like an SNL skit except horrifying instead of funny. Donald Trump came off as a petulant child, interrupting, talking over people, calling people liars when challenged.

His support really just shows how stupid a large minority of Americans are.

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There are, in essence, two wings of the modern GOP; the country club elite wing where money rules, and the religious-social conservative, “Deliverance” wing, who are manipulated by the country -club wing to do their bidding.

What is so great (dare I say YUGE?), is that Trump has short-circuited this process. He goes straight to the “Deliverance” wing and empowers them. The country club wing is apoplectic.

That he can say what he does, do what he does, act as he does and NOT lose in the polls, well that’s removing whatever thin fabric covered the racist, xenophobic, hate-filled iteration of the modern GOP.

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Of course the headline could also read 65% of those activists polled, who are expected to vote in the primary, oppose Trump

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SC shows what folks have been saying for a while. Clinton and Bernie split the white vote, but minorities so far are sticking with Clinton. The Democratic Party is 40% white and 60% minority. There’s no way to spin who we are.

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If he wins in the majority of states on March 1st I don’t see how anyone will catch after that.

From one dog lover to another, sorry about your beloved dog passing. I’m sure he/she gave you many years of joy, laughter, unconditional love.
Peace to you and yours.

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I agree, but Trump is also reaping the benefit of a conversation the Neo-Cons largely stifled ever since the 9/11 attacks. There was never any accountability for Bush-Cheney failures to heed the warnings and then to take us into a terribly misguided and tragic war thereafter, a war that has proven disastrous in its aftermath as well.

Trump shattered the myth that myth pushers Jeb and the Neo-Cons have weaved: “My brother kept us safe” with his one line “Not during the 9/11 attacks that killed 3,000, the worst ever attack on American soil, which last time I checked happened during Bush’s reign.”

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The cross tabs/other polling that PPP did with this one are truly horrifying. Over a 1/3 of Trump supporters wished the South had won the civil war, with another 1/3 being not sure…barely 1/4 are glad the North won.

The majority want to ban all Muslims from entering the country. And want to ban Islam entirely. And the majority of his supporters also want to ban all gays from entering this country.

I mean, I know its SC…I am full aware of just how screwed up that state is. But Trump is dragging up the very worst elements in what is perhaps the worst state.

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I have never in my adult life seen grown people read and view a product as shoddy and disrespectful of intelligence as what they call “The Press” (and what I call the MSM).

It is as though the MSM’s refusal to acknowledge this simple point you (denisj) made is predicated on the fact that they feel that they can midlead American viewers indefinitely.

Rubio
Bush
Kasich
(a small percentage of Cruz supporters)

represent a larger percentage of people than those favouring Trump.

What if a commentator interested in auto safety were to do a study on radial tyres versus non-radial tyres in 1973? What if (in this imaginary instance) this were to be his findings:

Ace non-radial types…35% of motorists using
Badrich radial tyres…20% of motorists using
Badpoor radial tyres…19% of motorists using
Doorman radial tyres…14% of motorists using
Winningham radial tyres…12% of motorists using

What would be the consensus of the reports concerning popularity of radial versus non-radial tyres?

A few takeaways:

  • Ego will not allow any of these three Pilgrims (Kasich, Bush, Rubio) to drop out/consolidate support

  • The **cking “HorseRace” consumes most of this drama (along with $$$$$ and mouseclicks)

  • Incidentally, this speaks to the strength of FOX: all the Krazy under one stinking roof

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Jeb!: If my brother’s face and accomplishments don’t work in SC, I will get my father there; if that doesn’t work, my Mommy will take care of it all.

My condolences… And my boy Boomer’s too. We (wife and I not Boomer and I) too have lost generation after generation of Labs, and it never gets any easier. We swear we won’t put ourselves through the grief again… until we forget how painful the grief was in the first place… And get two more Lab pups.

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That at this point the gopers think that there “best” hope is marco “Hindenburg” (due to his being lighter than air and prone to self-immolation) rubio means they have surrendered. While jeb would be an uninspired and losing candidate, he could at least hold a rational debate with HRC or Bernie. Not so for trump or cruz, while rubes can’t answer a question about today’s weather without a script.

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I want to echo the sentiments of valgalky. Losing a dog is very difficult. It’s been more than 2 years since my dog died and I still sometimes get a little choked up when I think of her. You have my deepest sympathies.

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Kasich would be the worst for the Dems to run against. Why? Kasich comes across as a moderate to the uninformed. When you dig a little deeper he is a rightie all the way.

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Its not so much about catching up, as it is by how much he wins those states. And its pretty doubtful he can win the proportional states by enough to get a majority of delegates, particularly if the race stays crowded. He needs to be winning by 45ish percent to be on the road to the majority. And he isn’t polling that high anywhere. Even if people start dropping out, his poll numbers don’t move up that high. In a two man race between him and Cruz in this poll, for example,he is still south of that mark (they both are,which kind of indicates that 10%+ of GOP voters would stay home instead of voting for either).

You don’t get the nomination with a plurality…you need a majority.

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I love how the poll tracker has Fiorina at -0.2%. I don’t understand it, but I love it.

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Yes, but what about Cruz supporters? Cruz and Trump believe their supporters overlap… And so, if most of the Cruz support goes to Trump, he would be over 50% among GOPers. Wouldn’t he?

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… does anyone know why there have been almost daily polls on South Carolina for the past several weeks, but only ONE poll on Nevada?

Is there something I’m missing?