Discussion: Trump Gloats Over Report That Secret Don Jr Calls Weren't To Him: 'Really Sad!'

That would be better.

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I thought the same thing. My first reaction was ā€œMaybe, maybe not.ā€ Then I felt bad for thinking ā€œfake news.ā€ But if CNN got played by Republican sources they should be ashamed of themselves. This is the worst possible time for fuckups like that.

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So the Chumps couldnā€™t say with certainty that the calls werenā€™t to Putinā€™s Cockholsterā€¦until a news org proved they werenā€™t? And then Cuckholster goes out bragging about this new evidence and exoneration? How come they didnā€™t KNOW the calls werenā€™t to Senior? How come the Chumps need a news org to tell them what they did or didnā€™t do? Could it be because they are liars and continually playing a game of ā€œwhat do you know and who told you?ā€

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CNN has been getting played by Republicans and their camp ever since Ted Turner sold to TW or AOL or whoever the parent corporation he sold CNN to is. Turner had made CNN into a respected international news network. Since he sold, CNN has been henpecked into fake ā€œequal timeā€ and ā€œbalanceā€ by the GOP and the Right. They are, in my opinion, greatly responsible for Donald Trump being able to waltz his way to the head of the GOP field in the Primaries. So, their shame, assuming they are capable of any, should go way back.

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Iā€™d be prepared for quite a bit more of that. It would be totally in Putinā€™s playbook to dangle lots of disinformation out there to confuse the situation. And theyā€™ve got the resources to make it pretty darned convincing.

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No doubt. But the scenario here could be that some senator or aide dangled this to a CNN reporter for domestic political reasons and the reporter bit without getting confirmation from a disinterested source who was also in a position to know. IF IF IF that happened, it was malpractice. You canā€™t rely simply on a sourceā€™s presumed wish to continue to be a source.

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I havenā€™t seen any stories on this being possible fake news yet-- anyone got a link?

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I read Palmer Report every morning because he is indefatigable in his hatred of Trump and sometimes, when I am feeling low and hopeless, he is on, and some times he is right ahead of the Mainstream News in connecting dots and theories. He was right about Oleg Derpaska during the Presidential campaign, right before Rachel Maddow jumped on that story. His theory this morning is that a Republican or Republicans on the Senate Intelligence Committee fed this to CNN. Given your post, I would tell you that great minds think alike, but not everyone on TPM likes Palmer.

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Don jr just walked up one floor after that meeting. Considering that the campaign was just a few people at the center, I am sure donnie sr. knew ahead of the meeting what was on the docket.

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I havenā€™t either. And even if it were true, it doesnā€™t even rise to the level of a piece of information that would somehow tend to exonerate Trump in all this. It would simply zero out one piece of inculpating evidence in a huge pile of other pieces. It wouldnā€™t call any of the other pieces into question in any way.

Not dislike, but he seems to take the same stew of information we all have and put the happiest interpretation on it. Iā€™m toxically optimistic enough as it is. What got me going was last night I had that moment of simple doubt, quashed it and then @ncsteve pointed out that the sources werenā€™t on the record and you could reasonably wonder if it werenā€™t a bit of domestic deza you could be amused at the presumption of.

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Although itā€™s hard to believe anyone there might be that smart and preventative - maybe Bannon.

Itā€™s also reported in the NYT.

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That Russia thing keeps on coming up around the Trumpsā€¦

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Iā€™m pretty confident that with the reams of communications they seized from Stone, thereā€™s plenty in of incriminating information. I also think that we will eventually learn that Rick Gates has been an invaluable witness. We donā€™t read about him often, but he was there in everything.

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Like the simple question of why Trump said that he was going to do a big speech about the Clintons and their corruption, which just happened to be the topic his son was busy e-mailing folks aboutā€¦

Since he didnā€™t know anything about the planned meeting, as his son has testified that he didnā€™t tell his dad.

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Jumos = Junior Moscow Operatives.

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Hereā€™s a longer piece on the men he called from DailyKos:

Thatā€™s a very let us say careful piece of writing there. They have to respond to the other reporting. But they drop in the phrase ā€œappears to haveā€ when talking about the conclusion. They donā€™t say conclusively that the matter is certain. Itā€™s a huge hedge, done quietly. They also talked to Schiff who appears not to have seen these records himself. So weā€™re back to knowing nothing with any certainty and not having anything that proves much even if true.

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Can someone clarify whether Iā€™m being stupidā€¦

You can block your number from being sent when you call someone.

But you canā€™t call a blocked number.

So wouldnā€™t these be received calls? In which case it could be connected or totally unrelated (but very different implications)

Or what am I missing?

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It will be like the ā€œTrump directed Cohen to lieā€ story: essentially true for all intents and purposes, but with a detail or two off. Mueller is meticulous, as well all know. In the end it wonā€™t matter.

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