Discussion: Trump Distances Self From Possible GOP Midterm Flop: 2020 Is 'Real Election'

The Dems had a very good 2 weeks since the end of the Kavanaugh confirmation process. Trump and the GOP had 2 bad weeks, capped off by a hapless performance by Trumper DeSantis in a debate where Andrew Gillum took on Trumpism head on and DeSantis had no credible response.

The House: I see the range as a D+ 35-65 seat gain. It will be on the higher half of that range. There’s a very good chance that the Dems hit the magic number before they reach the Mountain and Western time zones.

The Senate: If the election were held today, the Dems would have an even money chance at a 50-50 Senate. At least, I can say that 50-50 is no more or less likely than other results.

The 5 Senate tossups remain: NV, AZ, FL, MO, ND.
The 2 on the fence opportunities are: TN/TX.
The GOP’s outside chances at pickup opportunities are in: MT/IN. (I took WV off the list. Just don’t see any polling suggesting movement).

Regarding the tossups, the Dems had strong debate performances from Rosen and Sinema. Sinema got a very strong poll showing her up 6, leading in Maricopa County (which is basically the ballgame in AZ 9 times out of 10) and in the mid 40s among white voters. Rosen got a poll showing her up 2 points, but more importantly, the early vote started and the Dems are doing well in Clark County and Washoe County. The current overall advantage for the Dems in terms of ballots cast is 44-38 (and is trending higher when you consider that Dems are outperforming the GOP in Washoe County). Keep in mind that NV is a about a D+5 to D+6 state, so right now the electorate is right at the state PVI. That will likely change of course, but the point is Dems are going to show up, and if they show up in the big counties, the GOP is unlikely to win unless Heller has a blowout margin among Indies, and I have doubts that will happen.

A sign that the polls of this race have been way off is the current voting trends in Washoe County (Reno). This is a swing county in NV, and one where Heller has to do well. GOP has a registration advantage there, but right now Dems are outperforming them. That means the county will likely end up a close margin and that won’t be enough for Heller to win statewide.

The other thing I’d note is that even in the smaller counties, Dems are punching above their voter registration rate as compared to the GOP in 3 or 4 counties and statewide overall (thus far). My point is that recent data tell us that AZ and NV are perhaps Tilt D tossups as we’re getting some positive data points in our favor.

In Florida, Gillum and Nelson seem to be polling very well. Nelson leads by 5 in the latest poll from CNN. Gillum leads by 12. Rick Scott chickened out of a debate with Nelson. Gillum destroyed DeSantis in his debate. Early mail in voting has started in FL (In person EV to start this week, Monday). The GOP’s advantage in the early VBM is lower than prior years. It’s currently 44-38. But look under the hood and I see additional reasons for Democratic optimism. There are 30 counties in FL where there are 100k registered voters or more. Dems currently have a higher turnout rate (# of Dems votes/registered Dems in the county) than the GOP in 15 of them. This includes several red counties. Dems appear to be punching above their registration rate in the heart of Red FL and in purple counties where these elections are decided. The point is that Dems are an in-person EV group. FL Dems prefer it over VBM but they’re making their presence felt.

In MO, Claire McCaskill had a good debate performance vs. the very slippery Josh Hawley. He tried to keep a moderate tone and a low profile but Claire went after him and he had few credible answers on ACA/pre-existing conditions, right to work, minimum wage. Hawley distanced himself from the House proposal. Polling is scant but the GOP pollster showed a 1 pt gain for McCaskill (-1 overall), suggesting that other non-partisan polls would show Claire in the lead. In other words, this is a tossup but Claire hasn’t been hurt by her Kavanaugh vote and the election is being fought on health care and local pocketbook issues which is where she needs it to be in order to win.

There has been no polling out of ND, though most are putting it in the lean GOP category. Heitkamp had a solid debate performance, has some great ads running and is running aggressively. I still believe she has a chance. If she gets to a 30k or higher margin in Eastern ND, I’d make her a slight favorite to win that race. But there is literally no new information there except early voting which seems to be proceeding at a good clip from all counties.

In TX and TN, Dems are getting some decent polling, and TX is looking more and more like a tossup as Blue TX seems excited about Beto, and Beto is drawing big crowds even in key parts of Red TX. His goal is in Red TX is not to win, but to narrow margins in some key red exurb counties from 20 points to 10 points or so. In TN, the polling stubbornly shows a tossup. I don’t think Blackburn has put this race away.

Two weeks to go. Lots of voting to do. Stay aggressive Dems and close strong.

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If his followers takes that as “No need to GOTV, just stay home” I can live with it, and says “Thank you, Sir”, too.

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Is that a trick question, mattinpa? One thing that has truly surprised this -ahem - woman of a certain age: I’ve never known a human being that is completely and utterly without one redeeming characteristic. It’s mesmerizing on a certain level, considering all of the people I’ve met and known in my life. I mean, Hitler, dogs, etc.

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I sure hope you’re right. As usual, the front page of the NYT has a glum article and forecasts a 25 to 30 seat gain in the House. My unofficial observation is that they are completely wrong.

Democrats hope for a mega-wave on Election Day. They may still get one. But at present, strategists in both parties tell us they see a Democratic gain of 20 to 35 House seats as the likeliest outcome. Democrats need 23 to flip the chamber.

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Major media remains hard-wired for the right and dismissive of the left.

I agree with @khyber900 about the overall election outcome.

Many in media will be eating their words on election night.

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Yes, that caught my attention too. California’s votes came in last so people decided those particular votes made for Clinton’s lead–it’s such a silly assumption when counting popular votes.

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You’re assuming they are all/mostly voting for Democrats. I’m not so sure.

High early voting stats—and higher participation in general—historically favor Democrats.

There is no reason that this election would be different.

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A quick note about ND – I was listening to Rachel last week, and the Native American tribes are SEETHING about the SC upholding ND Voter ID law specifically designed to disenfranchise them (passed after Heidi won in 2012). They’ve come up with a brilliant workaround, and I think Heidi just might pull it out, because those who live on reservations will want to reward Heidi for having their backs.

Anyone on the ground in ND who can offer insight?

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I’m sure Native Americans will find a way to vote. That’s not the issue. It’s about white voters. Heidi needs to win a 30k-35k margin in Eastern ND to win that race. Native Americans are a relatively small fraction of that margin.

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Better buckle up Bonespurs, cuz it’s all down the fucking hill for you from here.

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Why? He is never bothered by anything he said the day before and insists it is fake news even when we can watch the footage.

Even if Dems take the House, will they really flex their new power? I seriously doubt it. Dems should slit the political throats of the GOP every chance they get. Comity is like some heavy drug to Dems; they prize it more than policy or victory. There is no “Lee Atwater” or “Karl Rove” on Team Dem, and we need exactly that to break the backs of the malicious rethugs. Paul Krugman has predicted that not only will Trump claim a Dem House takeover is illegitimate, he and other rethugs will simply ignore subpoenas and other attempts by Dems to investigate GOP crimes. It will be a major constitutional crisis and will test the will of the Dems and the American people. Get ready for a very dark, dangerous time if Trump simply becomes a de facto dictator.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/paul-krugman-says-trump-might-deny-dem-house-majority-victory_us_5bcd3df9e4b0d38b58799307

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I agree. Dismissive of the left because they’re so terrified of their “biases.”

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also, he fails up. Con men who really operate as a full-time grift know there’s nothing between them and the street if they can’t get the mark to ‘invest’

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Way to go, Dopey. Tell your voters that this election isn’t important. I totally agree that that’s what they oughta think.

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The real election where hopefully you can’t vote because you’ll be a convicted felon!



I’m THINKING!

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Q: What do you get when a whole lot of snowflakes work together?

A: That’s right, an Avalanche.

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No, I’m really not assuming that, particularly in a red state like Tennessee. But Democratic candidates do tend to rack up far stronger numbers when turnout is high. Plus, I watched the last debate between Bredesen and Blackburn and was astonished by the serial lying that Miss Marsha resorted to, as in claiming that ensuring healthcare for pre-existing conditions and/or young adults maintaining insurance on their parents’ policy until age 26 were actually Republican ideas, enthusiastically supported by the GOP majority.

Really?? Maybe in an alternative Universe.

BTW, the numbers in my area (Knoxville) are being repeated throughout the state’s urban centers–Nashville, Memphis, etc.

Am I hopeful by the crush of voters, bigger than I recall during any past midterm? Yes. Do I think it’s a done deal? Decidedly, no.

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