Discussion: Trump, Aping Fox News, Calls Chelsea Manning ‘Ungrateful Traitor’

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That is the unvarnished truth.

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For the last two years trump echoed the same and worse about obama and now he’s running to his defense…i think trump has some problems as do Fox news with trans-gendered folks…

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Let’s be clear on one thing, the deviant Manning was never an officer.

I know it’s a hard sell, but it really would be good for everyone’s edumacation on the subject to spend some time over at Faux News, either TV or website (but particularly the latter and the KKKomment boards). It’s so clearly nothing but unadulterated, crystallized agit-prop preying on white nationalist grievance politics heavily reliant upon the race resentment/bigotry/supremacy culture, and I really sort of encourage people to try to come to grips with it and understand just how much this really is the case and how it really is effecting people out there who spend all their time consuming it. You really don’t get an accurate sense of it, how virulent and vitriolic, how irrational and uneducated, how utterly devoid of any boundaries it has become by just writing it off as “meh, the opposition is crazy peoples.” You have to get in the kiddie pool with them and see and experience it for yourself.

I bring that up, because if that is what President Tantrum is spending his time consuming, what is obviously feeding his own sense of personal grievance, then I have no doubt he is in the same sort of decency death-spiral you can see on the website. He will grow worse. His perceived enemies will grow more numerous. Whatever remains to tether him to any sense of decency or dignity or shame will fray and snap. He will increasingly internalize the race narrative, the perception of a “white genocide” culture war, the externalization of all blame towards those who don’t fit the delusions of a bygone era marked by cultural homogenization, etc. etc…and as all this happens to him, to the extent it hasn’t already, he will increasingly rationalize any and all acts, any and all means, no matter how odious or extreme, that he views as necessary, expedient and justified to achieve the ends of returning the country to that imaginary time of cultural homogeneity, even if it means the construction of an elaborate Potemkin Village illusion that it exists.

In this delusional realm, election results become increasingly “white” and conservative again not because of voter suppression, but because the cheating that had browned it up has been expunged and the formerly hidden harmonious agreement and cultural consensus across America has once more been freed to shine. Minorities are less prominent and less prone to uppity news-making outburts of unrest not because the police state noose has been tightened on their communities and institutionalized oppression has cowed them, but because they’re more satisfied and accepting of their place and lot in life. Muslims aren’t abandoning the hijab and burka because they’re terrified of the normalization of verbal and physical attacks, but because they are more readily and willingly assimilating to an American culture with which Islam is inherently incompatible, and which they are slowly acknowledging the superiority of. This is where they are. This is essentially what they are doing and are indoctrinating Trump to do for them. They can’t have it for real, and part of them, deep deep in their subconscious minds, knows they never did, that it was never real, that their memories of it are all half-baked confabulatory defense mechanism nonsense, and that subconscious knowledge drives the desperation, the anger and the fear…but come hell or high fucking water, if they can’t have it for real, they’re going to construct an elaborate, monstrous facade that allows them to pretend they do and nothing, NOTHING, is off limits in achieving that goal.

I’m no student of history. I always liked fiction and fantasy novels more than the stories in the history books (other than a few special time periods). But I seem to remember reading somewhere or maybe seeing one of the ubiquitous History Channel WWII documentaries…or maybe a combination of both…that Hitler was not always as unhinged, crazy, murderous, etc., as he eventually became…that there was a sort of slow descent into that utter madness as the internal pressures of his own mental illness continued to collide with the external pressures of the outside world. I am curious and perhaps a little frightened about just how close the same might play out with Trump.

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Fox should pick on someone their own size - why not discuss Don the Sexual Predator and mentally unbalanced baby-man? Don is completely unfit for the job and every day shows how nuts he is. Why doesn’t Fox report on that?

Leave Manning alone!

So the unpresident peepee is watching tv in the middle of the day (so when was it, 12:04 pm or 6:04 am?).
I am a bit confused as to when his orangeness pontificated, but shouldn’t he be presidentin’ anyway?

“Ungateful Traitor”

Now he’s really projecting.

Who? The Fox commentator - agree! Slap them all!

A classic “projection.”

I think you’re misreading this tweet. He’s not defending Obama, he thinks he’s humiliating him. In his world, a presidential pardon would yield a fawning sycophant, not someone who says you made a mistake*. In Trump’s world, trying to work with “the enemy” is a sign of weakness, and having someone who should be your toady calling you weak is weakness squared.

*Even if the “mistake” is one of those really-a-criticism-of-the-insane-intransigent-GOP kind of deals.

Let’s be clear on one thing----Manning is NOT a deviant.

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Seriously, I don’t think he is the most powerful person in the world. The POTUS has that status not just because of the influence the US is able to exert on other countries, but because of the respect other countries’ leaders have for the US President and other leaders. Foreign leaders do not have respect for Trump. They see him as a dangerous incompetent who is historically unpopular with the people, who appointed an inexperienced and unqualified cabinet, and who surrounds himself with sycophants. They either want to use him or avoid the taint of association with him, but he does not have power over them.

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Hitler was troubled, unbalanced and plagued my mental instabilities from early in life. His relationship with his father was very poor and marked by fights and disagreements over work, schooling and the direction Hitler wanted to take in life, He lost several siblings to early childhood death, with reports attesting that these events shook him badly. His mother dies of cancer at 47, further damaging him emotionally. Art school rejected him. He spent time as a homeless person. Very early in his adult life he began to blame his troubles on non-Germans or non-Christians.

Hitler was one fucked up dude, starting very early in life and getting progressively worse.

I think an in depth analysis of Trump would reveal a similar evolution of pathologies starting very early in his youth.

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The parallels are disturbing—and not in a Godwin sense, either.

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Agreed, and I will also never forgive the Bernie Bro, unicorn hunters who sat out the election because “she’s not liberal enough”. Trash, the lot of them.

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That man, put in office by Russian intervention and adopting an agenda to do that country’s bidding, is calling anyone else a traitor???

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Last night, it occurred to me that Godwin’s Law is over.

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Nicely stated, but as long as Cheeto Donnie has the nuclear codes, we, and the rest of the world are at the mercy of an erratic, paranoid, vengeful orange demagogue. That makes him, unfortunately, pretty damn powerful.

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Not to mention that Trump has Steve Bannon, leader of the disaffected and grievance-filled whites whom you describe so well, at his side, whispering in his ear, confirming and encouraging all his worst instincts.

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