Discussion: Trump Admin Lifts Ban On Importing Poached Elephant Trophies

Indefensible and barbaric. Anybody whose first thought when they see an elephant is “hey, it’ll be fun to shoot it!” is a deranged psychopath. Trophy hunting big game ought to be illegal.

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Legally here in the US or in a foreign country where greasing the palms of the right people can define what’s legal?

See the difference here?

Explain for me whose definition of poaching we skew toward?

Do think this ruling could in any way hasten extinction of large mammals in the wild?

Illuminate me, please.

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Ugh. I need a break from today.

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Encouraging the killing of elephants, legal and otherwise, will “will aid the vulnerable species.”

Of course it will.

Just like providing massive tax breaks to the already-very-wealthy will aid the poor and middle class.

In other news, up is down.

Also, white is black, and day is night.

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Exactly which is why @terrymahoney you can’t even ship anything made of ivory into this country or into a lot of states unless it is older than 100 years old.

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“This is a significant step forward in having hunting receive the recognition it deserves as a tool of sound wildlife management, which had been all but buried in the previous administration.”

There are THREE northern White Rhinos that live in Kenya. Three. Hunting has not a m-f’ing thing to do with sound wildlife management.

Honest to God, I genuinely believe this country won’t recover from the weekly acts of sadism from this regime. How can we?

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I really don’t mean to be mean or anything here, but it is not US recovering from this particular shit that I worry about.

This is just heartbreaking to me, but I’m not going to get shot by hunters.

Goddamn Trump for this! I.T.M.F.A.

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I’m not arguing FOR this, but making a point about journalistic integrity. I like TPM. It’s my go to source. This is similar to a headline complaining about a gunman using an automatic weapon when they used a semiautomatic weapon.

To some of you it is a distinction without a difference, but, to be fair we are the ideological choir being preached to. Personally I hold those with whom I agree to a higher standard than any others. If TPM is going to be serious journalism errors like this can’t happen. Anyone either ambivalent or opposed to the timbre of the reporting has an easy excuse to dismiss it when TPM makes a bush league error

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I get it. See my other reply. This is about journalism, not elephants

Donny Jr probably smuggled Last year’s trophy in -

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Not to me it’s not.

And the reason it’s not is that it amounts to the same thing. Legal ivory is a misnomer. Until this you could not ship ivory into this country unless it was older than 100 years old so I don’t know where you get that.

Ryan Zinke is clearly an extremely narcissistic sociopath asshole. He rode to work on a horse his first day at the head of a Federal Agency. He enacted a practice of flying his personal flag over the building when he is “in garrison” and is apparently seeking to design a much larger flag. He is probably involved in the criminally corrupt hiring of Whitefish Energy to cash in on the humanitarian crisis in Puerto Rico which has been aggravated by the Trump Administration’s deliberate under-resourcing of the hurricane relief. He was discharged from the Navy Seals for using public money for his personal home improvements and personal travel. He has been accused of using taxpayer money for personal and political (non government business) travel. Of course he would put a juvenile computer game in the cafeteria of the Interior Department.

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I suggest a “take one, leave one” rule. If you leave your foot behind, you can bring a dead animal foot back.

I’m pretty sure that the reason Ivory was banned world wide was that it’s hard to tell a legally killed, scratch that, murdered, elephant from an illegally poached elephant. So pretty much anything made of Ivory has been assumed to have been poached first, before it’s “provenance” was determined.

So chances are that those slimy, smarmy useless pieces of shit that are Trump’s sons will be bringing their, I assume first, poached murdered elephant trophy’s out into the light for everyone to marvel at. Will Jr. put his trophy in the White House? Mar-a-Lago? Whatever rock it is he lives in?

But now it’s okay coz their useless, smarmy slime bag father has signed off on it in OUR NAMES as Proud Americans???

I think Poached is correct, thanks very much.

No, I think the journalism is correct. Just because a criminal declares something to be legal does not make it so.

And having some psychopathic “President” of some African dictatorship to give it cover isn’t going to make it legal either.

Please don’t misunderstand me, because I’m totally against hunting for sport. But, I don’t see where, other than in its headline, the article suggests that the ban on poached trophies was lifted. Am I missing something?

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There is only one elephant that needs to die quickly and be mounted as a warning to future generations.

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To me it doesn’t matter since it didn’t matter to the law before whether the hunter was a poacher or licensed. You couldn’t import it period and almost every other country on earth has that law except China, which is where the “legal” ivory goes.

So in terms of importing ivory, the thinking has always been that if you ban the import altogether it will have a chilling affect on poaching. This is not complicated. That’s why antique ivory was exempt.

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Fair enough. My Google shows only TPM using the “Poach” term in any form.

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I can’t help but notice there’s no blood on his knife.

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