“In the staunchly pro-Brexit port of Dover in southern England…”
How insane is that? It’s cray-cray head shaking that the citizens of a major British port city would be against the very thing that has generated all the wealth. I’m no economist, but I’m assuming Brexit could lay waste to such a place.
That sounds a bit elitist, but then we still have drunken voting laws in some states. People probably never thought drunk voting could ever be much of a problem, and apparently never thought cyber-agitated voting wouldn’t ever be a problem either.
I wonder if an attempt to back out of BREXIT will allow the EU to make additional demands, such as requiring the UK switch to the Euro.
Simpler version:
Sow ——————> Reap
Why should a young creep get a vote and an old man who’s been fighting to save wildlife his whole life not get a vote?
Oops. Putin must be so happy with how easy it was to destroy both the U.K. and the U.S.
Brilliant really, though I guess it helps that both May and Trump are morons.
Thinking further, maybe that conservatives are morons is the common factor?
Well Putin hasn’t been backing the traditional liberals and socialists in Europe. He’s gone straight for organizing Populist movements. It seems Populism attracts gullible people.
This was always too complicated to be solved across the kitchen table. Now they have a thorough mess because politicians asked voters to do their jobs for them.
I’ve never seen so many reasonably intelligent people tie themselves completely into knots to avoid doing the obvious. They must fear the Brexiteers even more than Republicans fear their base.
But this is what you get when you listen to the dumbest among us. Our countries simply can’t move forward until our respective right wing bases are put in their place.
Oh FFS, hold another vote and be done with it. Save yourselves UK
I guess because I’m not there and not wrapped in it and not in a parliamentary system I don’t have enough information to get it but I swear I do not understand what the fuck is so hard about holding another election.
Because they’ve been assured by politicians that, freed up from the EU, Britain could negotiate trade agreements on its own with lots of different countries. And if those are more favorable on tariffs and such, theoretically people choosing to sell from America, say, might send that ship of goods to Britain rather than Germany because they’d net more money.
Of course, the reality is that negotiating those agreements isn’t easy anyway, and there’s little incentive for big trading partners to bother with Britain. It’s a relatively small country, only like 66 million. Total EU population is over 500 million. So even at 450 million, if you’re working deals, where do you focus your energy…
It’s much about the politics of it. Nobody wants this shitburger until Brexit is finished with. Corbyn doesn’t have the support, and he’d prefer anyway to be the Opposition, where he doesn’t have responsibilities and can just moan and whine. Nobody in May’s side wants her job, because Brexit is the kiss of death for whomever is in that seat (May’s definitely going to pack her bags right after this whole mess is finished one way or another)…
I mean Brexit vote - not a vote on a new government.
In order to explain why a second vote ought to be binding, you’d have to explain that you hadn’t offered the first vote in good faith anyway – it was just to get the UKIPers to pipe down and go back and wallow in their filth. The whole thing was illegitimate from the very beginning, a bullshit fig leaf meant to bypass proper lawmaking process so that you didn’t have to talk about this idiotic thorn-in-the-side idea anymore.
And then the damn fool public went ahead and said “oh I do say, good chap, hold mah tea!”
Another referendum, do you mean?
Because there’s enough of a pro-Brexit chunk of Parliament that is happy with the result of the first run, and they don’t want to let it back out in the wild.
And the pro-Remainers would rather that be a last resort, if they have the ability to kill it without going to a referendum lottery and the questionable outcome of that again.
Well, this time you’d have an actual set of items on offer, rather than the pie-in-the-sky set of lies that the Leave campaign was based on…
I wondered if that wasn’t it.
Thanks.
BTW, for interested folks, https://news.sky.com carries it live on streaming (been on all day in the background). BBC geo-blocks their stuff, jerks.
@tena It was my couple decades in Europe with the BBC as the primary English-speaking news that galvanized my interests there. Their parliament meetings are way more interesting than our dry stuff.
“I am actually considering never voting again, quite honestly, because I
am beginning to feel that there is no point in it,” she said.
How can we get Trump voters to do that?