Discussion: Theresa May Won't Admit Defeat For Brexit Deal Despite Deadlocked Talks

Once the pot boils over, things get even more fun, because the brits already had a special deal for being in the EU. If they ask to re-enter, you can bet that they won’t get a bunch of things they previously had, possibly starting with the pound.

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Labour respects the result of the referendum, and Britain is leaving the EU. But we will not support any Tory deal that would do lasting damage to jobs, rights and living standards.

Thanks for posting that.

The first sentence renders the second sentence as anti-logic jibberish, from the assumption that the disruptions from the Brexit will do just that regardless of specifics of the deal. It is a feature, not a bug, of the Brexit vote.

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I doubt they’ll ask to re-enter. They’re pretty much stuck with this mess and still no plan wrt the Irelands. Some things you can muddle through. And some you just can’t; leaping off a cliff is one of them.

Doesn’t Labour understand that these two sentences are logically incompatible?

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Brexit just… one day the English everyman just decided to shoot himself in the face, just out of the blue, for no reason at all. It’s absolutely amazing. And no major political party in the UK is able to stand up and say in unison “this is a terrible idea, we can’t do this”. It’s as if 40% of Democrats and 60% of Republicans supported Trump. It’s amazing.

Kinda of similar to going to war with Iraq after 9-11 with the BS weapons of mass destruction . Cowards on both sides of the ile .

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They don’t have to ask permission to re-enter (as long as they don’t fall off the cliff on 29 March). The EU high court ruled that they can unilaterally withdraw the Article 50 notification.

So any time before 29 March, they can just cancel, and everything goes back to the way it was.

Just with Britain having lost its role as the heart of the financial center, a whole bunch of jobs, etc.

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This is what happens when you put party before country. Every article I read about May suggests that she is motivated to not give any credit or even a partial victory to Labour, and that she essentially expects to be rewarded for having stuffed envelopes for the party when she was in high school (as in, for her loyalty). Corbyn is no prize, to say the least, and has some of the same problems, being more loyal to party platform but he appears to have some sense of urgency that avoiding a disaster is more important.

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A lot of magical thinking is going on across the pond and it is incredibly sad to see.

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yes … no-cliff… no-cliff … the cliff was voted down!

Not sure where this stands - but would seem that there is a pretty pissed off population in Scotland that might just be fully fed-up now

headline from a few months ago -
“Brexit could sway Scottish voters toward independence from UK”

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Part of the maddening self-own is exactly this point. The right flank and the left flank in Parliament are both in favor of quitting the EU, but for wildly different and incompatible reasons. That’s produced the bizarre spectacle of proto-fascist idiots who want to stem the flow of foreigners being tacitly aligned with old-style de facto communists like Corbyn who thinks EU rules prevent him from forming a workers paradise. Illustrating how goofy that latter position is, those are the same rules that Denmark and France operate under – so not exactly constraining democratic socialism if that’s what a democratic government is truly after. And the leaders of both major parties are more interested in holding on to power than standing for any kind of principle, so every pronouncement is a masterpiece of doublespeak. I have dual citizenship with Canada and Britain, and it’s all so very humiliating.

I also grind my teeth every time the prospect of a future referendum on the deal is described as “subverting the will of the people” by the pro-Brexit crowd. Imagine, a democratic referendum – literally polling democratically to gauge the will of the people – described as anti-democratic subversion.

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logically incompatible? logically incompatible?

remember this is from the land of

“Lucas Electrical”

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Yes, point well taken.

It took the Japanese to make an MGB that actually worked as an automoble1 (the Datsun 1600 and 2000, a/k/a Nissan Fairlady).


1 An automobile as opposed to a Full Employment Act for auto electrical specialists. The fact that the cars had dual Mikuni carbs was a double plus good bonus relative to the POS Stromberg that came on the MGB…

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Some news feeds today are mentioning Irish outrage over San Francisco’s decision to give an honorary award to Martin McGuinness, a former Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) leader, for his later efforts as a key player in the reconciliation peace talks in Northern Ireland.

Reading the responses gives you a feeling for just how raw some people’s feelings still are after all these years.

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I don’t see anyone besides a handful of fanatics having real enthusiasm for resuming it though. Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness are dead, Gerry Adams is retired, Catholicism is dying faster in Ireland than probably any religion ever has, and the economic difference between ROI and the UK is now minor compared to what it was.

Right now, the border is open, even porous. After Brexit, it will (unless a miracle occurs) have to be fortified against passage of both people and goods. So everyone who lives on one side and works on the other (either way) will be ripe for radicalization.