Discussion: The Supreme Court Nuclear Option Blame Game Has Begun

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Lots of selective memory by the GOP on this one. Either party would do it, but blaming Reid ignores the reason why Reid acted in the first place. The GOP decided not to be a governing party but a party that obstructs. They were blocking and delaying everything using various procedural hurdles along the way.

If they would just have done their job and voted up or down on people than it would be alright and it never would have been needed. The fact that the GOP is pretty much admitting at this point that they would pretty much approve anybody, regardless of lack of qualification, so long as they donate or support those with Rs next to their names is telling though.

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You didn’t SEE WHAT WAS COMING? Are you KIDDING me? Don’t start clutching your pearls now fellas…You STOLE a Supreme Court nomination. You didn’t even let it out of committee. You lied about the timing and the importance of what people said previously and pumped yourselves up as some kind of moral arbiters and now you are upset because you are being forced into a box of your own making? REALLY?

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The fear on both sides is that there was nothing to stop the cycle from repeating itself — Dems vowing a filibuster, Republicans responding by going nuclear — for Trump’s next Supreme Court nomination.

n that becomes moot if in 2019, McConnell has a super majority to render the filibuster useless.

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Democrats, repeat after me:

“The Original Sin was Garland.”

Use the language their base understands.

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I’m not the nukular! You’re the nukular! You’re the nukular!

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it was before that.

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Sorry, but there’s no "bothsiderism, here, nor is there “theystarteditism” As Mann and Ornstein wrote, in 2012, “The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.”

And the GOP has gotten worse, culminating in Donald Trump. A sexual predator, racist xenophobe, fraudulent businessman who cares nothing for the country, only for what he can gain personally from it.

So, you know, ask me if I care one scintilla about destroying the filibuster?

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They might as well do the nuclear now since they’ll do it if a liberal S Ct judge dies or if they have to fill a vacancy in the fourth year of Trump’s, or more likely Pence’s, term.

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The Democrats are right to filibuster, and they also right to give space to their fellow Senators for whom participation could spell political death in their re-election campaigns next year.

But while the Democrats are right to filibuster, I have been disgusted by the inability of the Democratic Party to go after Gorsuch in the states, on TV, radio and on social media. I watched part of yesterday’s hearing, and saw Al Franken demolish Gorsuch over Gorsuch’s “Let The Freezing Trucker Die” opinion. The DNC could have packaged the Franken take-down and started blasting it on stations all over the country, especially where the state has split Senate representation, but the DNC has done nothing. Could there possibly be a better way to attack Gorsuch in blue collar America?

This morning I got an email from Tom Perez, asking me to sign an anti-Gorsuch petition. Really? That’s going to do anything? Pitiful.

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“One idea that had been floated, according to a Politico report last month, was an agreement in which Democrats would provide the eight votes needed to avoid a filibuster of Gorsuch, while at least three Republicans vowed not to vote in favor of a nuclear option for a vacancy later in Trump’s term.”

This is, of course, complete bullshit on multiple layers.

First…the GOP has shown repeatedly that they cannot be trusted on any deal that involves them doing something “next time”.

Secondly, and to my mind the more important meta issue here, is this is premised on a framing…a framing that everyone both in the Senate and the media seems to accept…that this seat is somehow ordained to be a republican seat, because Scalia held it. That it was a far reach for Obama to even think about appointing Garland in the first place, since clearly…its a republican seat.

THERE ARE NO REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATIC SEATS GUARANTEED ON THE SCOTUS!

There is no constitutional provision that says “republicans shall always have a majority on SCOTUS”

Yet, repeatedly, we see the MSM refer to this as a “conservative seat”.

Thirdly, republicans already went actually nuclear when they refused to do their Constitutional duties and give Garland a vote.

So all this talk about “the death of bipartisanship” is just really crappy theater. Because not a one of them is actually taking a single step towards bipartisanship. Not a one is even reaching out across the aisle, let alone actually stepping over the aisle.

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OT (when do,I go OT, right?)

Watch classy Mr and Mrs Trudeau pay tribute to Leonard Cohen. Feist then does great cover.

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Obama’s fault! And Hillary’s!

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[quote=“cabchi, post:10, topic:53939”]
But while the Democrats are right to filibuster, I have been disgusted by the inability of the Democratic Party to go after Gorsuch in the states, on TV, radio and on social media. I watched part of yesterday’s hearing, and saw Al Franken demolish Gorsuch over Gorsuch’s “Let The Freezing Trucker Die” opinion. The DNC could have packaged the Franken take-down and started blasting it on stations all over the country, especially where the state has split Senate representation, but the DNC has done nothing. Could there possibly be a better way to attack Gorsuch in blue collar America?[/quote]

You are correct in that this was the perfect ad and the DNC are going to sleep-walk through this again. This ad would’ve spoken to many Trump supporters who are convinced that anything DT does is going to help them. And yet, this guy would’ve let one of them (all of them?) die because of his interpretation of the law.

I don’t know what it’s going to take, but the DNC is not helping its cause. Nor are they helping us.

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Has anyone tried calling the DNC HQ to see if their phones are still in service?

They’ve been MIA through some wonderful opportunities to slam the GOP shenanigans.

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If the public wasn’t swayed in an election year by a mountain of ads, they aren’t going to give a damn about a political ad now. In fact, they probably grumble and mutter some version of, “I’m so sick of this shit” and then completely ignore the content of the ad. Outside of the hyper aware tiny segment of the population, the ads wouldn’t mean anything to them.

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I thought everyone got fired? Is Perez manning the switchboard?

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Personally, I kinda miss his mother’s tribute to Keith Richards :wink:

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If I may add
Fuck you Republicans.
That seat is stolen
Liars thieves bandits.
You deserve no respect

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So, we have a nominee to the highest court in the land who was nominated by a president who is the subject of a Federal counter-intelligence investigation for collusion with an enemy state, meaning that this current POTUS might not be in office much longer. Using Mitch’s logic, i strongly believe that we should defer to the next President the responsibility of making this appointment, and let the American people have a say in who they would like to sit on the Supreme Court.

Mitch couldn’t have said it better, himself.

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