Discussion for article #240358
Shorter article : Heaven forbid that someone that disagrees with your position move toward the center. I want everything or I give no credit.
Interesting read on Church position on abortion historically and agree with the author. It is still shame inducing for women and reeks of the male hierarchy reigning over and controlling the lives of women.
At the same time, Francis’s words do seem to me to temper the postition on abortion somewhat.
Regarding poverty, his position is no different than the position of the Church prior to 70’s. Since then and prior to Francis, they no longer emphasised poverty, electing to focus exclusively on controlling the lives of women.
I say this as a Catholic, I’m using this term loosely, endoctrined in the 50’s and 60’s.
You know, the fact that the Pope will only be an old white male pretty much tells where the thinking of the Church is and will remain in degrees. The best the Church can muster is this worldwise Pope that won’t say what needs to be said but instead clings to the Church’s wrong, one gender-one world view. This thinking is so archaic and so atypical of any group that wishes to keep their precious control.
Why not a woman Pope? A President Hillary Clinton paired with a woman Pope would likely change the world for the better in just a few years after millennia of it being held back and held down. I say, unleash woman wisdom and end propped up male dominance for the sake of male dominance.
Women don’t need men to tell them what they think or what to think, they just need equality and recognition like everyone else does. Let them have it and let them run with it, what’s the big worry anyways? Men obviously will win the physical contest, so the worry must be in the brains department, which if judging by history, the male decisions have been awful to terrible repeatedly and should be a disqualifier from some future decision making leadership positions.
Women wouldn’t be wasting time for instance bickering over contraception and abortion and world wars would look a whole lot different if they even existed at all.
After the conservative hysteria of JP2, I welcome the poverty and stewardship focus of this Francis. But the church lost me when I was about 12 and heard the doctrine of save-the-baby-and-let-Mom-die-if-there-needs-be-a-choice (somethin’ about purer souls).
Since the il papa represents a religion rather than a democracy, I think il mama will be a while coming. We can always hope for a tranny pope!
I don’t know about that and I don’t see what that would accomplish. It would basically be solving half of the issue.
I really don’t see how the Pope or anyone in the Church takes themselves seriously in their stance on women. To me, it’s all or nothing, inequality takes many forms and the way the Church views and treats women is a very twisted view of fair, righteous, equal or Christian.
Maybe the next Pope will venture out more on this subject but until they make women equal partners, they will always just be damaging their organization.
And then they somehow gotta make the rape of all the small boys by their very own priests right, which they never will. Giving women equal rights within the Church would sooth a lot of bad feelings.