Discussion: The Longstanding Trump-Russia Unknowns That Mueller Finally Answered

Agreed! Mueller seems to have hedged at all times giving the benefit of a doubt to Trump family members. What about that Trump tower meeting with the Russians? Nothing there? This all makes no sense other than the fact Mueller is a Republican and his friend Barr was brought in to clean up the rest. All this Mueller mythology makes me want to puke. You know what they say about the people you surround yourself with…well, I don’t have any Bill Barr type “friends” within my circle and that purposely. My personal ethics won’t allow me to bring my family around scum.

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No!

I think Mueller has been bent over for years. He’s a made man and if it was true he’d been interviewing to take Comy’s place as head of the FBI days prior to Rosenstein choosing Mueller to be Special Counsel, the timing is telling. Mueller was willing to work for the Trump Administration. He would have likely shut down the Russia/Trump investigations immediately. Mueller indicted small fish for small and unrelated crimes. The majority of his indictments were against Russians that would never see a courtroom. The Dems, media, and public were taken in a ride. It appears Mueller’s intent/goal was to placate everyone and come to minor conclusions or in this case, no conclusions at all.

Great catch and goes to what I’ve written below. The fix was in the day Rosenstein “chose” Mueller to be Special Counsel.

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Exactly!!!

Why let them off easy?

I’ll accept that challenge.

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In the United States.

Any interest he has in the United States is not good and not welcomed. Ask your Republican representative why his or her Party is rolling out the red carpet for Russian thieves.

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Can’t help but make one wonder though, do you think that Kushner’s name is in at least one or more parts of the redactions?

To us it seems so blatant.

The fat lady hasn’t sung yet on this whole mess IMO.

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Following all this, I do think Mueller DIDN’T subpoena Jr. simply since the case was handed off to the SDNY AG group, meaning…Trump can’t pardon Jr. whene he’s found guilty of financial crimes.

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Manafort lied to Mueller and somehow wasn’t charged with obstruction.

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From a recent email exchange with Konstantin Kilimnik at the WaPo:

Konstantin Kilimnik, a dual citizen of Russia and Ukraine who was a longtime business associate of Paul Manafort’s, said he is perplexed that he became the focus of special counsel scrutiny and eventually faced criminal charges as a result of the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

In an email exchange Friday with The Washington Post, Kilimnik said the 448-page report by Robert S. Mueller III paints a false picture of his role, including the assessment by the FBI that he has ties to Russian intelligence.

“I have no ties to Russian or, for that matter, any intelligence operation,” he wrote in an email. “This is one of the biggest mistakes in the public perception and in the report. It is simply not based on any facts and is a made-up narrative.”

Also:

Kilimnik said he never had a chance to explain his interactions with Manafort because Mueller’s investigators did not contact him.

“I would have told this to Mueller’s people had they reached out to me,” he said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/longtime-manafort-associate-konstantin-kilimnik-rejects-his-depiction-in-mueller-report/2019/04/19/af9221ce-62bc-11e9-9ff2-abc984dc9eec_story.html?utm_term=.5a0b0d48832f

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Does this mean no more SNL Xmas Carols for Bob? :cry:

“Manafort noted that if Trump won, Deripaska would want to use Manafort to advance whatever interests Deripaska had in the United States and elsewhere,” the report reads.

And that’s exactly what tRump, Mnuchin and McConnell made sure happened. Deripaska advanced his interests in the United States and specifically Kentucky. Just fucking nuts that that was allowed to go forth. Sanctions, poof, gone.

McConnell today said, “I think its time to move on”. Riight Turtlebreath, nothing to see here.

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I know this has been discussed with helpful answer from @ncsteve and @tena but yeah, as a non-lawyer this is like acid in belief that Rule of Law means anything. The holes they found apparently are ginormous.

Suggestions OTOH that need to happen STAT! to prevent future reoccurence of this sh*tshow (because you know they’ll (Republicans) will do it again now that Trump showed them how) -

1/ Close the coordination w/o agreement, tacit or otherwise, hole. You act like you want to get kinky with Russians we’ll assume you want to get kinky with Russians. :imp:

2/ Close the “ignorance of the law is valid defense” hole. You meet with Russians for oppo, doesn’t matter if you don’t know it’s wrong, just go to jail, bye!

Categorize it as espionage to give it some teeth, your head on a pike will serve as warning to others. :smiling_imp:

3/ Eliminate or add exceptions to OLC policy meant to protect corrupt POTUS.

Corrupt acts during campaign should not lead to immunity from indictment while POTUS.

Cc @imkmu3 @georgeh @steve24 @jackster @garzooma

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People seem to be drawing their own bizarre conclusions from the Mueller Report, but not surprisingly, many of them are still bottom-feeding on the plentiful amount of McCarthyism sprayed in all directions over the past few years. According to this loon, Mueller termed Bernie a “Russian Asset”. Their brains are fried, and now they are going to try and weaken Bernie with yet more of this moronic red-baiting bullshit.

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Steve24: Mueller did NOT interview for job of Attorney General. In fact, Trump people invited Mueller in to give them his thoughts on DOJ (?) but not for purpose of an interview; and Mueller did not want to be attorney general. The meme that Mueller applied for the DOJ job is Trump’s fucking with Mueller.

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Passed it off to the SDNY?

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With polling data, Putin could judge the effectiveness of the campaign tampering. Testing different misinformation with different demographics, coupled with polling results proves which approach is the most effective with each demographic.

I always thought Manafort giving polling data to Deripaska was the most obvious part of the collusion. Manafort wasn’t sharing poll information from the media, he was sharing the top secret, by message and demographic from a test data. This is what campaigns poll on. It’s 15 questions after the horserace question and it is intended to find out why you support Candidate X. That’s more important to know than if you support Candidate X.

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because Manafort had been working to change the political climate of different countries to benefit Oleg’s Derepaska’s various businesses. His value was in doing the same here in America and ‘being made whole’ with him since he apparently owed him `10M from work Manafort hadn’t produced on an aluminum mine.

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