Discussion: The Insidious New Lawsuit Targeting Columbia's Anti-Rape Activists

So when she went to the police; she didn’t give any names? Are you sure?

“While Nungesser’s name was first made public in May 2014 after Sulkowicz filed a police report…”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/03/columbia-student-i-didn-t-rape-her.html

It was only public when he revealed himself; and not when she named him to the police as her accused rapist?
Are you sure that’s entirely accurate and in accordance with the facts?

Or is this a “narrative” that needs to ignore facts in order to be workable?

The main complaint of the mattress carrier is that the university mishandled her complaint. You claim “unfounded,” she and the others claim botched. I haven’t made any accusations at all, I’ve pointed out a pattern to the original accusations. That there may exist any number of other persons whose experiences with Paul may follow the same pattern is pure speculation on my part. Not accusation, speculation.

Part of the problem, as outlined by the people Marcotte denigrates as “anti-feminists,” is these cases are terrible, and create a cycle of escalating damage. Anti-rape advocates champion sensational cases like this one as evidence everything is going terribly wrong. Then people inevitably begin to question the outrageous narrative (gang rape is a frat initiation! Guys can rape ten girls and the uni doesn’t care! ) The stories fall apart, and the activists who promoted them then expend their remaining energy blaming the skeptics for bringing these improbable stories to the forefront.

Meanwhile, common sense measures like assisting victims seeking police and medical assistance, improving safety, educating kids on comportment, all fall to the wayside in favor of silly over-reaching punitive policies and other ass-covering behavior. It’s very frustrating.

Even more so is the weird insistence that rape victims are distinctly special types of victims, who are separate from all others, in that we must assume the accused is guilty and any inconsistency in their narratives or behavior is attributed to the magical property of ‘trauma.’

I suspect what Mr Nungesser is attempting to do here is to get his side of events out there. I think a title IX complaint is novel and I’m curious to see where it goes. I suspect an ordinary libel suit would prove difficult.

" There’s a certain subset of anti-feminists whose main objection is to feminists’ tendency to fight harassment and violence against women. "
Name one. Name an anti-feminist whose main objection is femists tendency to fight harrassment and violenc eagainst women. In fact most Men’s Rights Activists acknowledge that there is violence agains women. They are constantly comparing the rate of such violence with the rate of similar violence against men, so they clearly acknowledge it.

" Even the name they usually adopt—“men’s rights activists”—is meant to imply victimhood."
No it’s a description of what they’re fighting for.

" They deny the existence of misogyny, instead claiming that “misandry” is the real issue. "
Name one MRA who has denied the existance of misogyny.

“Theirs is a world where “false accusations” are a real problem”
Yeah that world is called Earth, or did you miss the Duke rape case? Or the Banks case?

" while rape is not, "
Actually MRAs have been talking about rape being a problem for both sexes for a while now. Do you do ANY research?

" and men who are arrested for wife-beating were just defending themselves against violent women."
Again, MRAs have consistently said that domestic violence against women is a real problem and their own objection is the disproportionate attention given to it over domestic violence against men. I know of no MRA who says that men arrested for wife beating are all, or even mostly, defending themselves.

" which is why our culture has ridiculous phrases like “reverse racism” "
Which is ridiculous, but not for the reason you think.

"But Nungesser’s lawsuit inverts that claim, arguing that the real harassment is speaking out about rape and harassment. "
No he claims a real problem is false accusations, which is completely different from “speaking out about rape and harrassment”. He does not claim it’s the problem.

"But through efforts like this lawsuit, anti-feminists can distort the public image of the issue so it instead looks like a bunch of angry people pointing fingers at each other, with no way to distinguish between accusations and counter-accusations. "
Of course you can distinguish between accusations and counter-accusations you nitwit. As for “distoring the public image of the issue” it’s clear that the mattress girl did that.

“Which will lead a lot of people to throw up their hands and give up caring at all. Which is likely the point.”
No the point is to stop people ruining other people’s lives with false accusations. Really do you EVER do research?

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I think the author is concerned that people might actually start treating rape accusations as something other than absolute truth. This is Marcotte we’re talking about, who slimed people who wanted the Duke Lacrosse Three to have actual due process rights as “pro-rape”.

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