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Sen. Coons said. âIf we can build bipartisanship in solving this, I think we then lay the groundwork for other bigger and important work going forward.â
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You just have to believe hard enough that the GOP would cave on the federal government being funded before the Democrats would.
Now, why a person would believe this tooth fairy nonsense is beyond me, but once you swallow that pill, itâs obvious we could have saved DACA by ???.
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Petulant snark is not a coherent argument. I am blaming the Dems for their own failures, not for the overall fact that we have to fight the GOPers on the issue. If you cannot understand the nuance, thatâs not my fucking problem. The issue is that we have to fight the GOPers on the issue and the Dems are not fighting. Thatâs why we find ourselves in this ridiculous fucking position, with McConnell following through on his promise by only the barest interpretation of what he promised and the GOP being the only people in the room with any leverage. The fight should have been had, won or lost and then move on.
Instead this is dragging out, making the Dems look weak, foolish and ineffectual to our own base and Hispanic voters, and sending a massive message to the public that the Dems are not concerned about the economy, health care and other other pocketbook items that effect regular Americans, but are rather focused on helping illegals instead. @georgehâs post was spot on and very worrisome information if that PACâs internal polling is showing Trump rising as the Dems get bogged down in losing this fight in horribly embarrassing fashion. It approaching the point where they should cut their losses and tell the entire fucking Senate that nobody gets ANYTHING on immigration because of the games the GOP played and that they can all go fuck themselves unless and until they want to behave like reasonable adults. But even that will come at a price.
This whole episode has been a master class in how to lose and lose big for failure to fight with backbone.
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Clap harder! Clap harder! Tinkerbell is almost back to life!
The thing (well, one of the things) about shutting down the government to get what you want is that it turns out it doesnât work.
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Petulant snark?
âHOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DID I LITERALLY SAY THAT? I wish these fucking morons would have realized it when they could have had a nice tidy little shutdown the public was ready to blame on the GOP. But now? Nope. No leverage, no nothing.â
What the heck was that? You have been going on for weeks now .
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I like that if those are what I think they are.
Weeks? Fuck your hyperbole.
Since the last shut down
Our people are intimidated, Iâm sad to say. They just donât have it in them to play chicken, which is the only game in town with the GOP. Itâs a sports-psychology thing as much as anything. Theyâre traumatized and brain-scrambled by losing every election from 2010 to 2016, not to mention McConnell totally running rings around them on Gorsuch. The grassroots, on the other hand, is winning one election after another with an ideologically varied bunch of candidates who have in common one thing: partisan fire in their belly. The same public sentiment that has driven the Blue Wave would obviously come to the aid of Congressional Ds, but theyâre just too weakened and frightened to take the leap.
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Yawn. 538 does fine with the maths, but political opinions are just opinions. Precisely zero of those examples were accompanied by contemporaneous polling showing that the party ostensibly causing the shutdown by refusing to legislate would not be the party blamed. THAT is what the polls showed for us. I believe all of those examples instead involved polling that showed the oppositeâŚthat the public would blame the party refusing to legislate. That is a major difference, and for 538 to miss that issue in formulating the opinion piece very much surprises me.
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They are ALWAYS intimidated. Whipped dogs.
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Approval rate âclimbed to 44%â O my god,Iâm scared. PuPPet has his fat ass in the news 24/7, thatâs what polling is about. Obama had an approval of 59% at this point in his admin. Fuck the Democrats who didnât vote at all and those who voted for PP. When Puppetâs get that high, Iâll pay attention. So for now fuck the buzzwords âmetricsâ and messaging" and those who use those words. Iâm looking at you.
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The first photo is Psilocybe baeocystis, which is well known to people living in the coastal Northwest for its psychotropic value. The second photo is the Cortinarius rubellas, or Deadly Webcap, probably the most dangerous mushroom to amateur mushroom hunters. From the wiki:
Nicholas Evans, author of The Horse Whisperer, his wife Charlotte Gordon Cumming, and two other relatives were accidentally poisoned in September 2008 after consuming deadly webcaps that they gathered on holiday. Evans had assumed they were ceps but overlooked that the mushrooms had gills rather than pores. All four victims were informed that they would require kidney transplants in the future. Several years later, Evans received a kidney donated by his daughter, Lauren.[16] The other three eventually received transplants after some searching for donors, despite Charlotte having only eaten three mouthfuls of mushroom; they were instrumental in setting up the charity Give a Kidney.
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As if anything else is ever goddamned covered in the news! Democrats could run naked through the halls of Congress and it would be on page 10 - with no photos.
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Yeah but that response is basically nothing but denial and avoidance and only contributes to the problem. Itâs why the Dems behave the way they do and then find themselves in these shit positions.
Cotton is 100% correct that the GOP can now play the âbest and final offerâ game. They are the only ones with any leverage here. Any failure by the Dems to produce a DACA fix will fall on the Dems when it comes to lost votes from couch-sitters in the mid-terms. The GOP base is perfectly happy to bludgeon us with it all and let the issue remain unresolved if necessary because it will serve as a goad to vote and their base wontâ turn on them about it.
I really donât how to make people understand this if they donât already: you have to accept peoplesâ perceptions and what their reactions to those perceptions are going to be for what they are unless youâve done a magnificent, pluperfect job of messaging to them and controlling those perceptions. Blaming the couchsitters will never fix anything, nor is it the correct diagnosis of the problem and its solution.
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Trump rescinded DACA protections not the Dems. Whatever happens from here on out is on Trump and the Republicans.
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Have they voted yet on whether or not the table should be round?
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Itâs like you guys didnât even hear/read all the quotes from people representing the Hispanic community and their disappointment in the Dems.
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