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So after mindlessly defending “Jackie” from day 1, Amanda has now changed her story to"yeah she was lying, but it’s okay because no one was arrested". No apology for believing an unverified accusation, no promise to check the facts before making judgement the next time, just “it’s okay because no one was harmed”
Just wait. When an innocent person gets arrested for a rape accusation that turns out to be false, she’ll say “It’s okay because he wasn’t convicted before the truth was found”. And when an innocent person gets convicted based on a false accusation, but released later, she’ll say “It’s okay because he was eventually released.”
And of course, she’ll keep up her crusade against the phantom “rape deniers”, who are every bit as fictional as the rapist Jackie made up. Seriously, who are these people that deny rape ever happens? Marcotte doesn’t say, because they don’t actually exist. Does she really think anyone who insists on seeking the truth in this specific case denies rape ever happens? It’s beyond absurd.
This is all just an attempt to deflect attention from her own poor judgement. It’s easier to ignore your own faults when you are constantly attacking others, even if those people don’t exist.
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Oh sure. People who are falsely accused of a serious violent crime have it so well. We should all strive to be falsely accused of a serious violent crime, right?
Seriously, why should real victims be afraid to come forward due to the actions of a phony one? No one is suggesting rape never happens, just that it didn’t happen in this case, because that’s what the evidence shows.
And why should Jackie not be assigned any blame for her actions? She made up the story! She was the one who got this whole thing started. Sure Rolling Stone did a lousy job reporting it, but that shouldn’t let her off the hook.
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This isn’t a “woman scorned” story? What? “Jackie” made up a tall tale of violent rape to get the attention of a guy WHO HAD SCORNED HER. Yes, it’s true that she didn’t try to get her imaginary rapist arrested. Perhaps because trying to do so would have exposed her lie? But if Amanda can’t even be honest enough to deal with the actual facts of this sorry case, she should stop trying to write about it. She just looks like a fool.
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That is not just limited to this specific cause, political extremists and conspiracy nuts do this all the time. People need to learn to analyze each situation objectively, but then again that requires thinking…
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Are you for real? You think these people enjoyed being accused of rape when nothing of the sort even remotely occurred? Wow.
And the real tragedy you speak of (women who will be afraid to come forward) has nothing to do with these “poor poor privileged men”. The subject is this specific story, and how the author’s viewpoint is that she was not really wrong to jump onto a rape accusation story without even checking the facts. THAT is who your anger should be aimed at, because the publicity this lie got is what is hurting the cause of rape. And she’s still trying to justify running with the story as if “well, since women do get raped, it’s important to accuse the man first and check the facts later”. That’s pretty tragic too.
The author’s premise seems to be that false accusations rarely occur, and that is just as bad as those who say actual rape rarely occurs. Both of these things are realities, and one does not lessen the reality of the other. That’s like looking at cases of falsely accused/convicted people who exonerated in murder cases after decades, and saying “well, people do get murdered, so too bad if he got locked up for a while, the state will give him money, he’ll be fine…”
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Best line of the day.
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“…the false report rate on rapes is low, between 2 and 8 percent.”
2-8% are proven false.
And by conviction with evidence, 10-22% are proven true.
That’s 8% + 22% = 100%, right? No?
That leaves 70% or more in the “nobody f***ing knows if it’s true or not” category?
Well surely we’ll just call all of those true as well. 30% = 100% because we’re going for accuracy.
Or were you going for made up bullsh*t without any hope of accuracy but who cares because it’s really important?
Yeah, that… that’s what you were going for, and you hit your target.
Congratulations, that gets the Rolling Stones seal of approval for accuracy in Journalism.
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But here’s the thing … the frat was shut down. It was vandalized. Actual damage was done on the basis of what is clearly in retrospect a ludicrously poor accusation.
Let’s just say for a moment that Jackie decided to actually point to a real person, and took the time to actually pick a day in which the accused frat was actually having a party. Given the rush to judge the frat even with massive problems with the story, what happens in a similar situation in which the story isn’t full of holes?
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FYI, justy, since you’ve said this twice, he third person singular is “exists.”
There is likely to be a job opening at Rolling Stone when they get around to firing the reported who published “Jackie’s” tale. Marcotte should apply since I feel she doesn’t care much for guilt or innocence. She seems disappointed that truth prevailed and a fraud was exposed, unfortunately after the lynch mob did their damage.
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What a “rape denier” exactly? Someone who doesn’t believe in rape? Someone who thinks all women make up rape accusations? Someone who thinks women are 'asking for it?" Talk about straw man arguments.
All any reasonable person would want is for real rapists to be punished, real rapes to be prevented and for real victims of rape to receive both justice and compassionate, effective care - as needed.
For decades now, dogmatic feminists have insisted that astronomically high numbers of young women are raped on college campuses. One in four has been the number that has generated the most controversy. And the mere suggestion that one in four women on a college campus is raped ought to set off every common sense alarm bell in a sane person’s head. That number is way to high. There is NO way that that many women are raped - NO WAY.
Then, as one looks at the crazy dogma that underlies this claim, it becomes apparent that you are dealing with feminist fanatics - not sensible adults.
None of this changes the fact that colleges are places where there are lots of young people having lots of sex, getting loaded, boozing, getting high, partying, hooking up and so forth. This is an atmosphere that definitely lends itself to date-rape and where women certainly are more vulnerable than they will be at most other times in their lives.
So while rape on college campuses is by no means unheard of and should always be taken very seriously, let’s admit that campus feminism has jumped the shark a million times - They have no credibility and should never be taken seriously. If you want to know the facts about rape, the last person you should ask is a feminist.
Those people who this author derides as “rape deniers” are most often the very people who would lock up a real rapist and throw away the key. Feminists, by contrast, see a rapist hiding in every man, and they couldn’t care less if a man were falsely accused.
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The most unsettling thing she get wrong is the statement that this incident “will be used against” future accusers.
No, it won’t.
Tawany Brawley isn’t used against women reporting powerful men for rape; she’s used against Al Sharpton to discredit him as an dishonest, opportunistic, scheming snake.
Crystal Magnum isn’t used against women accusing athletes of rape; she’s used against left-wing academics who profess to expouse high ideals, but then degenerate into a anti-white, bigoted lynch mob at the first opportunity (joined my Marcott).
And Marcott knows full well “Jackie” won’t be used against women accusing frat memebers of rape; she’ll be used against the journalists who practice advocacy and propaganda under the guise of objective journalism.
By being a credulous believer of a too fantastic to be true tale, Marcott know how badly she’s damaged her own credibility. That’s why she’s battling these straw men.
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From what I read, he hadn’t “scorned her”; he just wasn’t interested and the rape lie was an attempt to emotionally manipulate him so that the protective instict would kick in and he would like her.
There’s a lot of, 'well, she’s troubled and needs to speak to a therapist". It seems to me she is just a manipulative liar. NOT ALL WOMEN ARE MANIPULATIVE LIARS. They are a tiny, tiny subset of all women. Jackie just happens to be one.
It is also true that the false report data is often 1) dated, using data from more than a decade ago, or 2) relative to reports to police alleging rape.
I do not think it likely that the incidence of rape and assault on campus has declined, but aged data are aged data.
More the point, the false report rate is for police, not other entities. Those are not false report rates for reports to university entities, such as campus assault services, student services, etc.
Again, I do not know those rates but the linked study in the article and the false report data rate studies I have seen all assume a legal context, usually involving reports to police. The rates for universities entities may be different (higher, lower) and on these data we do not know.
This article is pretty much what I’ve come to expect from Marcotte, that is, worthless. No one really knows what the percentage of false rape claims are. Her 2 to 8 percent assertion is at best a guess. There are fairly good reasons to believe it is higher. See:http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/416536/only-2-8-percent-rape-accusations-are-false-stat-extremely-misleading-jason-richwine
Your kidding. It should be obvious from this article that leftists such as Ms. Marcotte don’t think they should be “bound by the facts”.
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And it shouldn’t matter if 1 out of 20 or 1 out of 8 men are falsely accused and suffer the consequences (lost education opportunity, loss of liberty, public shame, lost job opportunities) because it is a small price to pay so that women can feel vindicated.
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I am in agreement with this writer. When you look at where the 20-25% number came from, it is not an actual statistic, but an extrapolation of dubious pedigree. The study quoted took data from September to May (2.8%), doubled it to make it an annual stat, which curiously covered the summer period when few students are on campus, then multiplied it by the number of years a woman is in a degree program. (https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/182369.pdf)
Contrast that with the number 38, the actual number of reports at UVA in 2014 that included everything from unwanted touching to rape accusations. With a female student body of 11,000 women, the incident rate is 1/3 of 1%.
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Is someone a “rape denier” if they think that the court system should decide guilt and innocence and not our universities?
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