Discussion: Senators Warn Special Counsel Is Good For Democracy, Bad For Transparency

I don’t know, but there are going to be more changes in personnel because of the breaches, and there’s no controlling the leaks regarding those. The fact that idiots like Johnson are gloating should tell us something. Maybe he’ll break out the Bud Light on the Senate floor.

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Wait, you mean GOP Senators and Reps won’t be leaking things like they did during Whitewater and Benghazi?

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As good as his appointment was, it does not mean the Congress will say, ‘Our job is done.'”

That’s the takeaway here.

Meanwhile…

https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/865307890386477056

“There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy (R-Calif.) said, according to a recording of the June 15, 2016, exchange, which was listened to and verified by The Washington Post. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher is a Californian Republican known in Congress as a fervent defender of Putin and Russia.

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Off topic…but speaking of bud lite, looks like they may have to redo the healthcare vote in the House. Could Paul Ryan be more incompetent?

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…but speaking of bud lite, looks like they may have to redo the healthcare vote in the House. Could Paul Ryan be more incompetent?

Well, to quote the Trumpites, give him a chance…

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We knew.

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When it comes to generating outrages, Trump is the gift that will keep on giving. This will particularly be the case as Trump becomes increasingly terrified. In light of that, it doesn’t seem likely that congress will be taken off the hook by the confidentiality surrounding the special counsel investigation. And, we still need a separate commission to invesigate Russian interventions in our elections, regardless of what is going on with Trump.

As I’ve been saying all along, these things move very slowly, particularly when special investigators become involved. We’ll need lots of popcorn.

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Well, he’s gotta set a price…

I have my doubts.

The three names you mention will get sacrificed, because they are criminally prosecutable, but they will not flip on Trump, and that may be the end of that.

I hope I am wrong, but I stand by my speculation.

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They have quite a bit more on Trump and his enterprises than just this, don’t they?

Yeah.

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Bit if they’re prosecutable, then by definition, that has to generate a full report by Mueller, no?

Now whether they flip or not or whether Trump pre-pardons them…I can’t speak to that.

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Oh I don’t think we’ve seen the last of Leak-O-Rama. They won’t be coming from Mueller, but they’ll be coming.

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“Lawmakers said Rosenstein refused to answer many of their questions Thursday…”

Legal question: This was a classified briefing, so how could Rosenstein refuse to answer questions?

  • Was he invoking his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination?

  • Was someone in the room a target of the investigation?

  • Was he invoking executive privilege to shield Trump’s culpability?

Not sure how Rosenstein could legally decline any question in executive session…

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Yeah, but I don’t think prosecuting and convicting Manaforut, Flynn or Page will take down Trump. And I don’t think any of them will flip on Trump (if indeed Trump/Pence were in on it, which I suspect).

All three would gladly do a few years in Club Fed than get a polonium-210 jab.

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Well spilling the beans on an ongoing investigation is only for people whose names are Clinton.

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I suspect the same.

And even if every single time a Republican is asked about this stuff, they deflect by “deferring to the special prosecutor” they’ll still be in the awkward position of reminding voters, over and over, that there is an ongoing criminal investigation into Trump’s Russia foibles (and related clusterfuckery).

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Perhaps the answer is as simple as “because they let him.”

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Not sure closed door session = classified.

And Executive Session does not mean closed-door or “classified”.

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Did TPM get it wrong?

From the article:

“But less than 24 hours later, after a classified briefing from the man who appointed Mueller—Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein—many senators were angry, frustrated, and fearful that both they and the American public will remain in the dark as the federal investigation unfolds.”

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I would not be surprised of TPM did.

Closed-door sessions is not the same thing as “classified” (an IC term).

Under the Standing Rules of the Senate, a closed session may be called by any Senator through a simple motion. Once the motion is seconded, the presiding officer of the Senate directs the Capitol Police to clear the public galleries of spectators, and close all doors of the chamber. The Senate floor will be cleared of all persons except the Senators and listed parliamentary officers, including the Secretary, the Sergeant at Arms, the Parliamentarian, and certain clerks. These officers are sworn to secrecy. All sitting Senators present are called to the floor, and they must surrender any electronic communications equipment including mobile phones and other electronic devices.

While secrecy is the goal, it isn’t “classified” in the IC sense of the word.

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