Discussion: Senators Ask DOJ, FBI For Info On Trump's Wiretapping Charge

The stupidity just continues to astound

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Raygun proved debt doesn’t matter…jebus more of the cut taxes and grow the economy bs

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I think they’re still trying to work through how much white could the White House house if the White House could house white.

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It depends on what they decide constitutes high crimes and misdemeanors. It’s hard for me to say since as far as I’m concerned, he’s already committed dozens of impeachable offenses.

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https://twitter.com/brianbeutler/status/839523146206228480

James Comey is “incredulous” about the ravings of the guy he handed the presidency to!

Shocked. I tell you.

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Heh, I do enjoy this…

If Trump thinks turning over his Tax Returns is bad politics, wait until he sees what happens when they turn over warrants issued against him…

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OMG, you’re in competition with @irasdad for wittiest comment so far.

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In @irasdad’s world, all competition is for second place.

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Ain’t that the truth?

Slate had an article during the election concerning a server in Trump Tower that was connected to a Russian bank or banks. For some u unknown reason, the story just died. Maybe this is the resurrection (I hope).

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It’s really beyond stunning. It’s why I don’t think these outbursts are planned or part of some strategy to distract. All he had to do was enjoy the sun and his high priced side piece (you just know he’s got one and that’s why he has to run off to FL every weekend) and shut the fuck up. But he couldn’t do that much. He couldn’t stand to sit back and wait for the latest crisis to blow over. He had to do something to control the story. So, now he’s invited an investigation into something he knows isn’t true, and he’ll be exposed for lying about that.

What’s worse though is that his own party isn’t even trying to cover his big orange behind. They could try to sweep this under the rug in order to protect him from himself. They’re not all completely stupid. They know full well he’s lying. But they’re pushing ahead with an investigation that is almost certain to prove him to be a bigger liar than previously thought. It’s just amazing, and to think we’re not even a full two months into his presidency.

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It’s really because and only because he is just plain stupid. Couldn’t happen to a worse individual.

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I know he is.

He was also pissed off beyond all reason this time.

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Nope. It wouldn’t vindicate him in the slightest. NO candidate, POTUS-elect or sitting POTUS is above the law or these procedures. Let’s first differentiate a little though.

If the FBI obtained no warrant to wiretap, but did so anyway, we’re going to have an absolute shitshow on our hands…harbor no doubt about that. The GOP will feel no pressure any more to further investigate Trump’s campaign’s ties to Russia or Trump’s own ties to Russia and it will probably damage our ability to get them to act on some pretty serious things, like the revelations coming out about Trump’s dealings in Azerbaijan. Instead, we will be treated to a 2-4 year circus of the GOP attempting to establish that Obama violated all normal protocol and practice and gave the order for the wiretap directly. There will be no there, there, but the absence of evidence and their inability to prove it will only serve as proof of the conspiracy and the cover up.

If the FBI obtained a warrant to wiretap through the FISA court, you can bet your bippy that this wasn’t treated like a routine “surveil the muslims just in case” FISA warrant (which have the unfortunate reputation of being rubber stamped by the FISA court). I’m admittedly going out on a limb, but I would hope/think that the Court would recognize the sensitive nature of the warrant and raise the bar on what is necessary to obtain the warrant, not just in terms of the amount fo the evidence, but also its credibility and reliability. And remember, these FISA judges are appointed directly by Justice Roberts, so I don’t think there are any “crazy liberals” in the rotation. Therefore, in this scenario, the evidence is probably fairly solid and was compelling enough for the court to issue the warrant. At that point, two things will happen:

(1) the admin, the GOP and the alt-right will go completey batshit with distraction tactics and attempt to take over the airwaves with constant and increasingly crazed calls for Obama’s head, despite the evidence, and Congressional GOPers will still latch onto the opportunity for rabbit hole hearings and kabuki theater to distract from the real issue, likely subpoenaeing Obama in hopes that, if nothing else, they can force him to commit perjury during a 12 hour hearing and

(2) the rest of the country will be hearing about the evidence the court relied upon and start demanding Trump’s resignation and/or impeachment…or at least further investigation into the Trump campaign’s connections an dealing with Russian, and the pressure will be such that it probably can’t really be refused, no matter how much the GOP wants to or, if they do, it just does horrible damage to them in 2018 and/or 2020 for their obvious bias and failure of oversight.

It also may matter exactly who and what and where the wiretapping attached to. If it was Flynn’s cell phone, then I see very little chance of Trump managing to sustain the argument that this was a horrible abuse of power, even if he wants to run around claiming that “yeah, but Flynn was in Trump Tower when he had that conversation with the Russians that got him fired.” On the other hand, if it was a land-line in Trump’s own condo, then we’ve got more of a problem.

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Beee careful, you who are in the Senate. 2018 is just around the corner…O hell it’s coming anyway no matter what you AH’s do. Trump enablers and are in bed with him. With Mitch at the helm and his PLEDGE to make Obama’s Presidency look like a failure…EVERYONE realizes by now, it’s a clear as the color of the Republican;s wgute sjun, ‘’’’
It’s ALL about the color of Obama’s skin. History will point this OUT. Republicans are RACISTS.

Obama is a REMARKABLE MAN. He is STRONG man, strong inter strength. I am ashamed of my RACE.

Never mind the CRAQZY REPUBLICAN in OUR WHITEHOUSE. Who is a liar, a coward and a TRAITOR. He’s in bed with the RUSSIANS. And from the LACK of interest shown from the Republicans In office, they must LIKE the Russians as well, as much as TRUMP.

Republicans are TRAITORS.

Although we all must admit their IS a SILER lining to the BLACK cloud hanging over our country right now. We’re getting to know our Constitution and what it means to be an American. We will win and the Democrats will prove without a shadow of doubt which party are TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOTS.

And ‘pinch yourself’ because George W. Bush’s doctrine is ‘alive’. He is the ‘babydaddy’ of the Republicans {arty. He confessed to ‘it’ during Mat’s interview with him. He said he’s been busy working on his legacy, he said he stepped out onto the flight deck of the aircraft carrier…which in some way lead him to painting the faces of the our troops who are forever remembered in book of he has in print. He believes that the day strutted across the deck of a naval aircraft carrier and stood below a banner that read ‘MISSION ACCOMPLISHED’ has lead him to a place where he has the RIGHT to profit from the pained faces of our troops who were wounded because of his lies, is acceptable NOW. I’ve got news for GWB, you’re an still an AH and a COWARD.

We’ve got your GOWLISH book of painting our wounded warriors…
I have to say.
HOW DARE YOU GEORGE W. BUSH…

Excellent interview with Sen. Graham just now:

[quote=“richardinjax, post:6, topic:52694”]
What’s to stop him from irresponsible acts if he’s rewarded for them.
[/quote]Nothing, he has no conscience, no patriotism, nothing. And he keeps on getting away with it. Why should he stop?

Look at this wiretapping story. It’s a classic Trump. He tweets about wiretaps, everyone loses their minds over it. It’s completely BS, but it dominates the news. Then when Wiki dumps “the proof” that the CIA can spy on us the press just moves on to a new story. No one is seeing that the timing of these two events is suspect? He’s getting away with it.

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Damn that Obama is one smart man.

He didn’t just leave a trail of breadcrumbs, he left a minefield for Trump.

I think the explosions are getting ready to be bigger than they have been yet - dots keep getting connected.

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What you say white boy?!

I actually think that things are unfolding and Trump opened a door, to make an evidence metaphor, that he shouldn’t have opened because now light is being shined on Trump Tower and that server again. That had disappeared for a bit.

Frankly, I have a view that is I think if not unique here, it is a minority view. I think the FBI has been running a criminal investigation on someone close to Trump if not Trump. I think there has been another investigation by the spy chasers in the FBI, because someone close to Trump is a Russian agent. Supposedly there is a third investigation, and I don’t know what that is about. I know everyone distrusts Comey and I don’t trust him but I still am unclear on where the FBI is in all of this because it seems to me they still have these open investigations against Trump, his campaign, and at least one person around him.

I think the money trail picks up people in Congress on the way between Trump and Putin, too - I think it’s complicated. I’ve seen a chart of connections on dailykos, and it looks like an immense web. I hate conspiracies but none of this makes sense without something that ties it all together between the Americans involved and the Russians. I could theorize on what that is, but it may not matter. To see the connections is enough, and they are mostly monetary.

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Only the house can draw up the “articles of impeachment”.

7 Steps of Impeachment:

  1. Justice Department or an independent council investigates charges & presents them to the House Judiciary Committee
  2. House Judiciary Committee (HJC) reviews evidence
  3. HJC drafts Articles of Impeachment
  4. HJC debates Articles of Impeachment (Nixon)
  5. Entire House of Representatives debates Articles of Impeachment & votes on them (Simple Majority)
    a. If this happens, President is considered Impeached
  6. Senate holds the Trial “Will the official be kicked out of office”
    a. House Judiciary Committee acts as the prosecution-- presents evidence against the accused
    b. Accused chooses own lawyers to present defense
    c. Chief Justice of Supreme Court acts as Judge and rules on admissibility of evidence
    d. Senate acts as the Jury
  7. A 2/3 majority of the Senate must vote against accused to remove the person from office (Andrew Johnson, Clinton)

http://cvhs-teacher.com/cassidy/govt15/Executive/ProcessofImpeachment.htm

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