Discussion: SCOTUS Allows Trump Admin To Enforce Its Transgender Troops Ban

Grow up. We need two things: the solid, undeniable factual basis and the political capital. We have neither at this point. You can argue all you want the technicalities of what we DO know. We can all sit around in our smoking jackets, sipping brandy by the fire, hemming and hawing on TPM and smugly agreeing that “mmmyessss, mmmmmyesssss, any educated American worth his salt would agree that such behavior should constitute a “high crime and’or misdemeanor” justifying impeachment and removal from office.” THAT DOES NOT FUCKING MATTER. Fat lot of good any of that intellectualizing does any of us when there’s a Mueller report that still hasn’t been released, we’d look like we’re jumping the gun, the Mueller report could conceivably make it look like impeachment wasn’t justified while something less like censure would be, we don’t hold the Senate and can’t get a conviction on it unless and until the public has so turned on the GOP that they’re forced to save their own necks by voting for conviction, the public hasn’t reached that stage yet, failure to do it all correctly and get the necessary result could backfire and harm 2020, a total misfire would set precedent the GOP would abuse until the end of time, etc. etc. etc., and 100 other practical realities your pantwetting completely ignores.

Moreover, nothing about impeachment proceedings in the House would stop Trump from appointing justices and McConnell and Grassley railroading them through the Senate while the Dems remain powerless to stop it. NOTHING. On that level, your post doesn’t even make sense.

Impeachment is meant to be a kill move…a finisher…the finalizer. Mortal Kombat’s sweep the leg. Call of Duty headshots. Drago’s final blow to Creed’s nose. Ross cheating on Rachel when they were on a break. Ser Ilyn Payne bringing Ice down on Ned Stark’s neck. It avails us nothing if it falls short of that effect.

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Like '16, SCOTUS will be an important campaign issue in 2020.

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It has. There was a major law (ENDA) that the Democratic Congress tried to pass in the 2009-2011 session barring employment discrimination but it didn’t end up being approved. I think, in fact, that there was a bit of a breakdown about covering LGB persons but not Transgender persons.

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Yeah, the guy who always wants to strike before the iron’s hot, and always alleges there were perfect candidates and policies we should have voted for.

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Hey sniffit,

Impeachment takes time. The evidence is there. The time to start is now.

The longer he is in office, the more judges he appoints.

Listen to Maxine Waters:

We have the consultants and the pundits and all of them saying don’t talk about the impeachment,” Waters complained. “His supporters are going to be there for him no matter what — we know what percentage that is. So waiting for Mueller, to get permission based on his report to do this, is not something that I agree with.”

“If the [Democratic] leadership and others have decided what they want to do, that’s what they are going to do, but I have to tell you that I believe in the final analysis, they can only come to that conclusion [regarding impeachment],” she continued. “The Russians have hacked into the Democratic National Committee and they undermined our election system. They have done everything to basically undermine our democracy and this president disregards our constitution whatever his relationship is with Putin.

Addressing the federal workers who are going without pay while Trump holds them hostage in order to get funding for his wall, Waters added, “We are going to do everything we can to support you and get this government open and this president must be impeached.”

Impeachment Now

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I didn’t even try to comment on this, there is no way I can without losing it completely.

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Subpoenas?

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I have no issue with trans-people being in the military…the only qualification for being in the military should be being able to do the job they are assigned to do…what else is there? since the military people pretty much all dress alike…whose to know what gender they are??? however, I don’t think the military should pay for the sex-change surgery…as being ‘trans’ doesn’t affect their ability to do their job.

I can understand that. Indeed, that could describe almost everything the Trump maladministration does.

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Perfect.

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If we wait until the time is right, we may well find that it is too late.

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true.but JENNER won all the medals before he had the sex chnge surgery…I don’t know if the surgery changes his male hormones or what…could he have done all this if he had had the surgery way back when…how does the change affect his physical ability???

And Gorsuch and Kavanope voted FOR the ban .

Of course they did. They need to give their favors to Trump

I think that is what Speaker Pelosi is hoping for. Just run out the clock…like she did with Bush/Cheney.

We weren’t supposed to talk abut impeachment before the election, and apparently we’re not supposed to talk about it afterward either.

The House should do its job now.

Impeachment now!

We should be pushing to eventually impeach them. They are the product of an illegitimate regime.

But when abortion is banned, Speaker Pelosi will say “nothing we can do.”

Too bad we don’t have an opposition party.

Impeachment now!

Aaaw, how cute. What’s it like sitting around all day fabricating hypothetical situations to keep yourself in a state of raging butthurt based on things that haven’t happened and like will never happen?

Anyhoo, HRC was exactly the same as Trump, right?

I prefer the conviction prior to the execution.

Not sure what’s “too late” though really. For many people, myself included, there’s always going to be a feeling of “too late” about it because it didn’t happen nearly instantly upon the revelation of some things, but if the practical realities of it all mean that he serves out a term (and is hopefully stopped at that point), we have to go on living and clean up the mess regardless. We didn’t have power for 2 years. We won’t have a Senate that will convict him for the other 2. There are, in fact, real risks and dangers involved in moving ahead prior to Mueller’s report coming out, not just politically, but in terms of setting precedent that things should be done the right way or not at all. I’m 100% sympathetic to the feeling that we’ve got to get him gone ASAP and don’t want to wait until it’s “too late”, however you define it, but we need to play the long game.

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