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I think he’s on point here. If Hillary has moved on from Bernie as she showed in the debate last night, I can’t understand DWS’s obsession with the Sander’s campaign. There was just no need for it. It’s time to be magnanimous, not petulant.
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While I agree that the DNC is off the rails under Schultz…Sanders did issue a public apology and fire staffers over the incident.Maybe he should ask his people to have respect for the campaign…This puts them in the “they all do it” category and that the last place he wants to be as a candidate who is looking to foster a “we can change DC” image.
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Oh WHAAAAA!!
We got busted for something we actually did…poor me!
This guy is looking worse by the day.
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OMG enough with the damn whining!
Gah, his staff screwed up. They were given a time out from viewing the info. Ultimately they were given access back to the data. Move on already.
Unless of course this is just a way to get donations - much like the Repubs do when crying about the “liberal” media. 
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Let’s be fair. He was asked specifically about this right from the get go at the debate. If he had just pushed aside the question and said let’s move on he would have been accused of trying to cover it up.
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Oh WHAAAA!!
You’re just whining about perceived whining and now I’m whining about your whining so now we’re all caught in a recursive whining loop that will never end
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I like Bernie and his message. But I don’t think any Democrat should be using a “they’re not treating me fairly” excuse – reminds us too much of Trump. Definitely time to move on from this.
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He may be a little reluctant to do that since this affair has been a fundraising boon for his campaign.
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Well to start its not Sec. Clinton’s responsibility. It is the responsibility of the DNC to protect that data from misuse. Yes, they did not employ adequate fire walls but that’s a bit like leaving your door unlocked. No one’s supposed to walk in, just because they can, and take what they want.
Like it or not the Sander’s folks stole sensitive data. No one thinks the candidate was in on it. After getting caught they offered a preposterous lie in their defense. The DNC did what they had to and shut down all access until they could verify security. Sander’s was then allowed ( after a very short time ) back in. It’s the DNC’s responsibility to protect the data. They initially failed and then took severe measures to fix that. They did and Sanders has access. Its the Sanders responsibility to fix the mess on his side and he did so.
But not often mentioned is that fact the data is still out there and can still be used by Clinton’s political opponents…ie GOP’ers if that’s where the money is. You can’t give back stolen data.
I don’t think the DNC overreacted at all. Only Sanders supporters do. I think they did what they had to as did Sanders with the firings and as did Clinton by being gracious about it. It was an unfortunate mistake that’ll cost the Democrats some of their adult image. That’s too bad.
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I don’t think the DNC overreacted at all. Only Sanders supporters do.
I’m not at all a Sanders supporter – never have been – and I think the DNC over-reacted. So there you go.
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Bernie makes a great case and Debbie looks over her head…End it.
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… and all that whining is bad for the person who’ll need to a united Democratic Party behind her.
Hillary showed good judgment in not making the data snoop too much of an issue. Debbie W-S yet again showed bad judgment throughout the whole kerfuffle. What concerns me about Hillary’s judgment is that she thinks Debbie W-S is the right person to be DNC chair.
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I’m a Hillary supporter and I don’t believe that the DNC overreacted but I do believe that there is a colorable argument that they did so. I do recognize that we do not have all the facts.
Bernie’s position is something like that: My staff did something wrong and we were in the process of correcting it – we had fired our National Data Director – and the DNC brought our campaign to a dead stop. That’s not fair.
The counter is that it seems that it was well within in the power of Bernie’s campaign to have avoided that outcome. The DNC demanded certain assurance and actions and at the time of the shut down had not yet received them. They then pulled the shutdown but informed Bernie’s campaign that it would be lifted once they received the required changes. They received the required actions Friday evening and promptly lifted the shutdown. http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/12/19/democratic-party-lays-out-its-case-for-punishing-sanders-campaign-over-data/
DWS may be a problem but not in this instance. A minimal obligation of the DNC is to stop campaigns from accessing other campaign’s data.
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How did they over-react? What should they have done? Nothing? Remember guy Sanders people DID steal that data. And all the DNC did was shut them down for less than 48 hours…fix it so Sanders people could not steal again…and let them back in. What is wrong with that?
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Second time, some of our staff screwed up and I apologized for that. But to shut off our access to our own information, to significantly hinder our campaign was a complete overreaction and that was absolutely wrong.
You can disagree with him. But it’s a reasonable and adult statement, and it includes an unequivocal mea culpa. In addition, his actions have been consistent with taking responsibility. Yet, you’re characterizing what Sanders said as “Oh WHAAAAA.”
That just makes Hillary supporters look unfair and defensive. It’s as if anyone who takes on Hillary in any way must be savaged no matter how civil they were in their disagreement with Hillary.
This is, of course, wrong. But even if you don’t have the compass to tell you it’s wrong, you surely have the brains to understand that it’s stupid politics – both in the sense that you’re going out of your way to gratuitiously antagonize allies that Hillary will need, and in the sense that it gives support to the narrative that Hillary and “the Clintons” viciously destroy their enemies.
Hillary seems determined in this case not to live up to the Nixonian canard. But Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and some of the TPM commenters seem just as determined to exhibit paranoia and defensiveness. It’s as if you really, really want Hillary to lose.
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Well do us a favor then…tell us what DWS…or the DNC should have done. How should they have handled a data breech on a server under their control and responsibility? I see folks all over this site squawking about the DNC’s “over reaction” but it was actually quite timid. They secured the server ( which any host would do ), fixed the problem and then let the blocked party right back in ( which almost NO server host would do ).
So if this was such an outrageous reaction tell us what they should have done?
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That’s not even remotely fair. The vast majority of Hillary supporters on this site, the VAST majority haven’t been hard on Bernie for the data breach, but the campaign’s response to it. It was ham-handed. At the same time, we are dealing with Bernie supporters claiming this was all Hillary’s fault (even thought Bernie admitted to the issue and fired the staffer responsible) and even so far as to claim Hillary was working with the VENDOR to tempt Bernie’s campaign into malfeasance. So, even though they actually did what they’ve been accused of and admitted it, still Hillary’s fault. It’s insane. The paranoia and defensiveness is far greater on the Bernie side in this case. I’m not a Bernie supporter, but I respect him greatly. That doesn’t mean his campaign didn’t screw this up.
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Huh? Saying your sorry doesn’t fix shit. If it did we’d have no jails in the USA. Of course he said he’s sorry and he probably genuinely is but dude…that data is still out there and no mea culpa or million mea culpas is going to get it back. Removing restricted data from a server is a crime. No one want’s anyone jailed for this petty stunt but you can’t just make it less than it is because of preferences or prejudices you have for the folks involved.
Try this guy. Waltz into a Walmart and shoplift something of minor value with the intent of getting caught. Walmart will not lock you out for 48 hours they’ll have you jailed and locked out for life. The Sanders folks STOLE that data from the Clinton folks. And you think any objection ( and its been very mild ) by the Clinton’s is uncalled for? And an “I’m sorry” should end it? What planet Are you walking around on?
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No but there’s been a bunch of folks like Arc that are upset anything was done about it. I think it was handled very well. Try that stunt on a banks server or the GOP’s server and you’ll be referred for prosecution. DWS did not demand folks be prosecuted for data theft although that would have been perfectly acceptable. All she did was kick the thieves out for 2 days and let them back in. This to many was an “over reaction”. And I’m still waiting for one of these folks to tell me what would have been a better way to handle it.
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