Discussion: Sanders Predicts A Contested Convention: 'We Intend To Fight' For Votes

At this point Sanders could get two (2) votes for every one (1) HRC gets and still lose the race for pledged delegates.

But there is every reason to think HRC will in fact get a majority of the remaining available votes.

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Take NEY. 126,000 in Brooklyn alone were democrats though either outright fraud or mishandling of their case, lost the right to vote.

Arizona and other states have had similar problems. ANd in NYC, its hard to vote for Bernie when the rules said you had to switch party allegiance back in October of 2015.

What kind of ā€œget out the voteā€ works in those cases?

Yes, that.

You are basically saying that it’s not just Clinton, that absolutely all of our national level politicians are bought with Hillary Fund Money? And the only honest one is Sanders (despite getting support from her in 06). I’ve seen better conspiracy theories…

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I’ve floated better conspiracy theories.

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Interesting, the one senator endorsing him has said that it will be time to unify the party after the last primary. He will have nobody, except maybe Donna Edwards, supporting him at the convention.

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His willful ignorance of the process is maddening. Just because the super delegates are theoretically persuadable does not mean that they will be persuaded. In his case, there is absolutely no chance that will happen.

On June 6, 2016 when CA/NJ/NM and other states vote, Hillary will cross the magic number of 2383 delegates (pledged + supers) to win the nomination on the 1st ballot at the Convention. At that point, she will claim the nomination and dare Sanders to oppose it. What Sanders does not seem to acknowledge or understand is that super delegates and pledged delegates vote on the 1st ballot. Clinton does not need any Sanders delegates or any additional super delegates to win the nomination. There is no way for him to stop her from getting to 2383 or to win the nomination on the 1st ballot. So he is just embarrassing himself at this point and keeping the party from formally coming together to take on Trump.

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From 2008 to 2011, Talkers Magazine rated Hartmann the most popular liberal talk show host in America, rising from number 10 among all talk show hosts in 2008 to number 8 in 2011 and 2015. According to his syndicator Dial Global, more people listen to Hartmann’s show on more stations than any other progressive talk show in America.

It’s quite a statement on liberal vs. conservative talk radio that this guy is the most popular and widely-carried liberal radio host, yet most liberals not only have never listened to him but (like myself and jinx) have never even heard of him.

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Let’s start in AZ. A real voter suppression happened in a county where Clinton overwhelmingly won. Without such suppression her margin in Arizona would have been larger. Clinton campaign and DNC are suing AZ. You are absolutely right that it all was due to Clinton shenanigans.

In Brooklyn 125K thousand people were removed from voter rolls. I understand that the district(s) in questions could have been friendly to Sanders. But they would have not changed the NY results. More importantly, not a single credible person made a suggestion that this was done by or for Clinton campaign. Once again, you are right – Clinton caused voter disenfranchisement.

Bernie Sanders changed his party registration a year ago. He had full 6 months to convince his rank-and-file revolutionaries to change their party registration and yet they did not. Actually, come to think about it – he argues that he brings new people who did not vote before or were even too young to vote in previous elections. New voters did not have 6 months deadline. Once again, clear evidence of Clinton misdeeds.

Finally, both Clinton and Sanders are running with the same rules. And in 08 Obama ran with the same rules. If we are witnessing a political revolution now, oh boy, was it a big bang size revolution in 08?

(P.S. Please let me know if you want me to clarify which parts of the above were serious and which should be labeled as sarcasm.)

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Except that Sanders’ statements about raising taxes come in two basic flavors. First is an increase in taxes on the wealthy - something the vast majority of people in the United States, including many of those same wealthy individuals, support. The second is in the process of moving to a single-payer healthcare system - and it would be offset by the elimination of things like having to pay into a monthly plan, as well as freeing up employer funds that are currently tied up in providing those monthly plans.

In fact, if Trump were to promise to never raise taxes, while simultaneously promising he would

  • increase the size and capability of the military
  • embark on massive infrastructure rebuilding
  • rebuild the public school systems across the country

and all of the other things he’s promised (totally leaving aside the wall, because hey, Mexico, right? heh.) all without increasing the revenue the United States takes in… my god, is that an easy one for anyone to demolish.

As for the majority of Democrats not being as far to left as Sanders… of course not. But that doesn’t mean they’re not farther to the left than Clinton. I’m certainly not as far to the left as Sanders, but let’s be clear here: his involvement in the race has already significantly affected the conversation, and it has forced Secretary Clinton to tack left. Considering that many of us remember that the DLC and Blue Dog Democrats - and the Party’s strong rightward lurch in the 1990s - were in large part creations of the 1992 triangulation efforts by then-Governor Clinton, having a countervailing force to prevent another lurch to the right has been exceedingly important.

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And even without capitulation, the accusations of ā€˜sell-out’ begin.

At the very least, we’re more numerous than he is! :smiley:

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The Democratic Primaries of April 2016 have been a thorough repudiation of a Left Wing Tea Party. I hope the trend continues all the way to the convention.

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And upthread I posted the math it takes to get there and it is not even in the realm of reality.

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The Democratic Primaries of April 2016 have been a thorough repudiation of a Left Wing Tea Party. I hope the trend continues all the way to the convention.

You are now ready for Fox news with that level of misstatement and BS.

They actually started a while ago but are just becoming reinforced the more that his chances have slipped away and yet he still encourages his 'supporters/donators to keep giving 'til the end.
And he doesn’t share like Mrs. Clinton does and also it is a proven fact that he could lose for a lot less ; )

Oh really?

His stated goal was to rescue the Democratic Party?

ROFL

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IN fact, that is the definition of ā€œbrokered conventionā€ for the DNC:

Democratic Party
Under the Democratic National Convention
rules, "A majority vote of the Convention’s delegates shall be required
to nominate the presidential candidate" and "Balloting will continue
until a nominee is selected".[6]
The role of the superdelegates was established in-part to limit such
conflicts and multi-rounds of voting on the convention floor, and
instead allow the candidates to woo these delegates before the convention.[7]

With the DNC and superdelegates, the horse-trading occurs before, not during the convention.

No I have not misunderstood anything.

Ok, you want to talk all delegates not just pledged delegates?

As I already stated upthread, Clinton currently needs 231 more delegates to reach 2,383 delegates total and there are 1,016 still avaiblabe delegates remaining to be decided on.

#FeelTheMath

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Or I’m just really glad that Dems have been refusing the party purity pill that’s been pushed over the counter for the last several months.

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