It’s at moments like this that I sense Sen. Sanders is delusional, and may just lead his party (his recently joined one) to disaster.
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You’re doing nothing except bitching about Obama not using OFA for some kind of grassroots uprising. A waste of time if ever there was one. You’re just waiting for someone else (Sanders) to make some kind of revolution possible, tell you that it’s cool to proceed now. You’ll always be disappointed.
I’m not a Sanders supporter, will you even read my posts !!!
Also I’m a member of my local Progressive Democrats and expect to hit the streets during the CA primary for local progressive candidates — and for Hillary.
EDIT: I feel ashamed that I have to defend my own integrity here just because, in the process of arguing for Hillary as a superior party-builder than Sanders (i.e. I agree with you!) I made some mild criticisms of Obama for not turning out to be the “tranformational president” many of us expected who would, through force of charisma I suppose, bring millions of new voters permanently into politics and change the whole equation. I admit he got halfway there, and I’m grateful for that (my own life has been changed in concrete ways by that) but the job is unfinished and NO president can deliver the revolution Sanders is promising — which is why I support Hillary’s more reality-based incremental approach, and will myself do my part at the ground level here in Los Angeles. So are we on the same page now?
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Mitch is laughing his head off.
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Good luck with that, Bern. Although, President Obama may have a gap between him and Congress, he succeeded in closing the Democratic Gap which you have turned into a chasm.
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Yep. It’s not about not driving me crazy, by the way. It’s about convincing me. And so far, he has failed, and his supporters have only succeeded in offending or insulting me.
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Republicans will hit him with the Socialist label, the honeymoon in the USSR then move on to his stated plan to raise taxes. By the time they get to the thinly veiled antisemitism it will all be over for Sanders and the Democrats. I had a lot of respect for Bernie before he started promising the moon AND stars to his supporters. He has been in office for decades and knows better but promises anyway. Sounds like the flip side of Trump to me.
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Just a distraction until they pivot to foreign policy, or as they like to call it – terror.
what i think he means is come election day, all the millions of people that would vote for him would presumably vote down ballot, so by that measure he would take back the senate and maybe house. that i think is what he meant by political revolution.
I am talking about the voters! The voters are eating this shit up. I know that racism and homophobia are not important to the plutocrats, but these issues are important to a majority of Republicans. I know that for the elites and the plutocrats it is a smokescreen, but for the bigots it is real. We have a huge constituency that wants America to fail, or at least Americans who are not straight, white, ignorant, and Christian. I refuse to ignore the risk it represents.
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“his supporters have only succeeded in offending or insulting me.”
I remember the Deaniacs doing the same thing to the voters in Iowa. True, Sanders is throwing a lot of ideas out there for all to view but for me, mostly because I have two Millennial sons, I see Clinton as more of the same and worse. It will become those in the gated communities vs the rest of us, on our own.
Attacking President Obama is not the way to advance a rationale that seems to be evanescent at best.
Bernie just shit his own nest.
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I agree, except they are not changing any minds with bigotry; they will always have that 30%. Now, terror is what they use to close the deal with the undecided voters.
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It’s pretty clear to me from the comments on this thread that Sanders has not conveyed his message. This was not intended to be a criticism of Obama’s legacy. He was trying to point out that he is incapable of making any serious changes in the political arena by himself, even if he were to be elected President. He is proposing to change the system by changing Congress, and his ability to influence voters to change Congress is his only power as President.
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Voting in every election would be an revolutionary first step, and more practical than having millions of people camping out on lawns. I know you thought of it too, but opted for the dismissive snark.
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What you cite are symptoms rather than reasons. The huge gap did not originate, nor even widen much more, during President Obama’s tenure. However, his election and contemporary events made the contour of the pre-exisiting gap clearer to many more Americans. The British catchphrase, I’m all right, Jack, so screw you all! rough-sketches that contour of injustice.
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Think small, die incrementally and inevitably.
If more people are successfully brought into “the process”, that is the definition of democracy, not a noble failure - win or lose in November.
If Democrats don’t try to bring more people (by the millions) into “the process”, they are guaranteed to lose in November, regardless of their nominee. Would that both candidates realize that and could successfully do so.
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Something else ending in “ist”, realist.
So would Jay Carney, whose insinuation Senator Sanders may be responding to.
If President Obama permits his name to be used by either campaign to wrap its candidate in, not only will his reputation and legacy be diminished, Democrats will be irrevocably riven, which will guarantee YUUUGE losses in 2016 (not just for POTUS) and, perhaps, beyond.