And so does he have to have decisive victories.
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Could be that it is because this was a caucus. You donât just show up and cast a ballot then leave. You have to stay for hours.
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I think caucus states vs. the more traditional voting primaries (for lack of a better term) tend to draw the more establishment, long term, experienced voters.
I know I sound like an apologist, but a regular vote is much easier.
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Not good numbers at all. Of course, to Clinton supporters, it shows that Sanders isnât bringing voters in to the polls, failing to see the other side of the coin. That Clinton isnât either. So it goes with coronations.
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His energized his under 30 base but they are notorious about showing up and voting - they donât.
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Yes, could be but doesnât that go towards not being interested. I am no expert, I am just throwing stuff out there
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Maybe itâs unfair to any Democrat to have Barack Obama as the standard for voter turnout.
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Yeah you wonât get an argument from me on that.
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I wouldnât see a 5% margin as a ânarrow victory as was Iowa.â It was much closer than when it had started, yes. So Team Bernie had made progress there, yes, significantly. But in my view a 5% margin in the final result is decisive enough. Itâs just not a blowout.
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No doubt about that.
He is admitting this â and so I fully expect his campaignâs number one priority is now to make it clear to his young supporters its do or die.
No, Sanders didnât bring in new voters. Voting was way down from 2008 in IA, NH, and NV. People keep saying that Sanders is going to bring in new voters, but the facts just donât bare that out. Honestly, other than toughening up HRCs debate skills and tightening up her message Sanders has brought nothing to this race. He hasnât even pushed HRC to the left. Heâs a net negative.
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True, it is. But my concern is not so much as our turnout compared to the 2008 primaries level as it compared to that of the Republican side so far in Iowa and NH.
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The Dems should put you in charge of young voter outreach. You seem to have their number.
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No shit, Bernie. Thatâs why you have to lead the Democratic Party, and not just have yet another unicorn ârevolution,â like Eugene McCarthy, George McGovern, and Ralph Nader had. There has to be intensive groundwork, and an effort to build up the Democratic Party in EVERY STATE. Obamaâs failure to do that is the biggest blot on his record, and cost us the State Houses, and the Congress itself. Hillary understands that. You donât.
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She understands that so well that she was in Texas yesterday and Bill will be here next week. Texas - John Kerry dipped one toe into the state when he ran - we were basically ignored and I get that - Bush was president. But it makes a difference down here when the Democrats donât ignore us - the major counties all went for Obama and they will all vote for Hillary. And it does matter even if the Democrat doesnât carry the state.
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Clinton isnât lighting a fire herself, and thatâs not Sandersâ fault.
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Obama is unique. He really motivated so many people â but it was a message delivered with civility and optimism, not gripe. Big difference.
BTW, I brought up on a tandem thread â a Clinton/Warren ticket. I know people discount this idea and say she is needed in the senate. However, right now progressives appear to be rejecting the idea of the transformational potential of a woman president â but if we could manage to bring together the two sides of the democratic party⌠my head just explodes at how powerful the image of two STRONG WOMEN leading the country would be. PLEASE lets make it happen!
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Right back at ya bwak,
I guess it depends on your POV but it sounds like an excuse to me.
Hillary gains the momentum and Bernie is still in the hunt, I guess itâs good news in a way for both?
Iâm surprised to read you saying this considering the fact that Hillary running away with the votes and delegates in the upcoming primaries is exactly the predicted scenario.
Even if not decisive, (not sure what the total has to be to be called decisive), and she wins by 5 points just about everywhere, she still wins. She doesnât have to pound Sanders, she just has to win. Bernie otoh, has to get real mean or tough or whatever because a close second means diddly basically.
The very same applies to Sanders, he had best start winning some states that he isnât projected to, or the parties over (no pun intended).
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Someone didnât feel the Bern.
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