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Bernie knows heās not going to be the nominee.
Heās either staying in to damage Hillary and elect trump, or heās staying in because his ego has become so over-inflated that he believes his own most fanatical followers.
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Whoever wrote the headline didnāt get the nuance in the presidentās remarks. āDropping outā was not mentioned and it was hardly chatter, but more like necessary political strategizing.
President Obama privately told a group of Democratic donors last Friday that Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont was nearing the point at which his campaign against Hillary Clinton would end, and that the party must soon come together to back her.
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Senator Sanders can campaign for his message until the cows come home. But, he must refrain from dissing the frontrunner. If he does not understand that he will be quietly advised to that effect.
All eyes must now turn to November.
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Wow. For the first time Sanders has expressed a whiny and stupid false statement that some of his most unhinged boosters assert.
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I suggest that while an independent he has always been reliable to the democratic party goals.
I think this history suggests that another possibility is more likely.
Simplyā¦ he remembers 2008.
The math was against HRC far before she dropped out. Her staying helped register many many new voters by keeping the contest going. Her comments were much tougher against Obama than Bernie about HRC.
It was good for Obama to have a challenge and force his campaign to be ready for November, just as it is good for HRC this time.
I believe that Bernie is not out to damage the party or to hurt HRC. I see nothing to suggest ego drives this.
HRC can either handle this or not. I dont even support her nomination and I see that she can handle this.
Seems she will be the name in the democratic column in November, this is the column where my vote will be. I want the person in that column to be ready, I think healthy debate is best for the candidate.
Iād also add that 2008 was āMcCain who?ā for months. With the Trump BS and media fawning, I donāt want the same thing to happen to our nominee.
Relax, itās fine. From a position of strength Iād expect that you can appreciate short term inconvenience for long term gain.
Stop trying to talk him down, there is no need unless you intend to poke Bernie supporters in the eye for sport. I suspect HRC would agree as she needs us too.
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There are no valid comparisons between this election and 2008.
Bernie is staying in for personal ego.
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I think aggresive is better.
Sparring is helpful only if your sparring partner makes you work for it instead of rolling over.
After 08, I presume Despite the long hard slog, Obama would agree.
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I think he should stay in as long as he wants, but this āsuper-delegateā bullshit is absurd, and if Clinton had been behind and her campaign had floated that kind of idea, she would have been crucified by the Snaders team for being āundemocraticā and āpower-hungryā.
But if Bernie loses New York, California and a few other Western and Eastern states, itās truly over. And after the Tuesday primary results, I think the true momentum is gone. I mean, Clinton is supposedly up by 48 points in New York (I know there is little chance she will win by that much, but thatās fairly daunting to overcome), and in the Northeast that is supposed to be so gung-ho for Sanders. I wish him luck, as I will vote for ANY Dem who gets the nom as opposed to letting the fucknut Republican chainsaw wielders take over, but I think his chances are very slim, and saying otherwise is being a little unrealistic.
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surely the numbers were closer in 08. I conceded the dynamic is different.
but every election is different.
and just because I believe HRC staying in too long helped Obama doesnāt preclude the possibility that ego was driving her staying in.
I think your insistence that you know Bernieās motivation, undercuts you. obviously you canāt know.
I care not to argue (our November voted will match and Bernie supporters will make up a needed portion of HRCs november vote), I only ask you consider perhaps a āfrenemyā is helpful, and take the help.
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Hillary is also leading in California, Utah, and a couple of other states.
Bernie is fighting a losing battle, and itās a disservice to the Democratic party.
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Bernie Sanders speaks to a plethora of solutions which are sorely needed in our country and thatās why his message has resonated with so many voters in the face of overwhelming party machinations and limited media coverage.
He deserves the opportunity to have his voice heard throughout the primary processāin all 50 statesāright up to the convention. Then and only then should the party coalesce around one candidate. Ending the Sanders campaign now is effectively suppressing the voice of the Sanders movement to the benefit of a selected few and is direct opposition to his message.
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The people choose, not Obama, not big money donors, not the DNC.
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Actually, if Bernie doesnāt win 2 to 1, itās over. And Iām not talking about super-delegates at all. All Dem primaries are proportional, so if he doesnāt win YUGE with his ārevolutuionā, heās toast.
Hillary is up by more than 300 pledged delegates.
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And they are choosing ā¦ Hillary leads in the popular vote in the primaries and is up by more that 300 pledged delegates.
Bernieās doing better than expected but heās not winning by any measure.
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I am part of the people. I choose Clinton.
What about MY vote? Or am I not enough of a person for you?
Ending the Sanders campaign now is effectively suppressing the voice of the Sanders movement to the benefit of a selected few and is direct opposition to his message.
Huh - some revolution.
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I think you have it buried the lead hereā¦
itās not his voice that deserves to be heard as much as it is the primary voterās voices (as you note later)
They may very well shout Hillary.
But folks will register to vote, election coverage will be forced to at least take a few second break from the Trump show to mention it.
if Bernie can damage HRC than repubs will destroy her. I think neither should be a concern.
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Disagree. You commit to a fight, you fight to the end. Hillary ended up gaining a lot of respect for the way she lost, and the way she handled the convention. If she wins, I would like to see Bernie be the one to ask that she be declared the nominee by acclamation. Bernie canāt abandon his voters, he needs ( assuming heās not the nominee) to help bring them over.
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First ā no one (outside of a few message boards and the WAPO editorial page) is really calling on him to drop out at this pointā¦ but POTUS is correct, itās time to start getting our collective heads in the game for Novemberā¦ and giving to the HRC campaign right now means that itās still primary $$ ā and those donors can be tapped again for the general after the convention.
Second ā I worry that the Sanders campaign (and that includes the Senator himself) will really turn ugly towards Clinton in the next 6 weeks as she sews up the nomination outrightā¦ theyāve gone there before.
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You are trying to discount voters in the remaining states. You call that democracy?
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But you do you ā¦ and Iāll continue to do me.
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But can you really see him doing that, after accusing her of corruption, bad judgment and other nasty aspersions on her character? (Iām not even mentioning the Berniebros hereā¦)
I donāt recall any such personal aspersions cast by HRC in the 2008 campaign, do you?She thought he might be unrealistic, questioned if he was ready for the 3am call, but she never claimed he was corrupt or faulty in his judgment. So her placing Oās name in nomination did not seem like a contradiction.
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