The first half hour was not a debate. It was baiting them into attacking each other. It was ridiculous. Does MSNBC not realize that many people are seeing these candidates for the first time? I want to see them debate issues. I do not want to see them attack each other.
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I agree. Sheās eye-wateringly disingenuous. To base her argument on the idea Sanders would for some unearthly reason dismantle or risk ACA before Medicare for All is passed? For what reason, on what planet would he do that? Has she no access to reason or moral consideration whatsoever? I know it helps no one to attack her personality, but sheād be helping everyone a lot if she could at least argue with the actual substance instead of the Walmart straw men she offers.
If she becomes the nominee there will be an avalanche of progressives moving to the Green Party. If she doesnāt, weāll see the first woman vice-president in the person of Elizabeth Warren, and a return to a healthy vibrant entrepreneurial economy, freed from the fear of personal catastrophe and the stunted dreams weāve all known so long we can hardly recognize them.
Thatās all she has to offer: stunted dreams.
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Hillary is the right candidate if weāre going to win.
I say that as a Bernie donor.
The timing for Bernieās vision isnāt right but heās pointing the way and inspiring people to realize that there are things within their grasp if they organize. For younger people who have grown up with nothing but the bleak reality of Reaganomics, itās important for them to hear that there are and have been other options for the American future.
Hillary will be the better candidate for the Congressional campaigns this year and maybe the the next Bernie or Sherrod Brown or Elizabeth Warren will benefit from all this.
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Stop it with this āinspirationā nonsense! Inspire yourself to get out and vote. You donāt need to rely on someone else doing it.
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I love you Stephen I feel the same way And I will repeat myself we are so fortunate to have such great candidates.
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True. But I canāt imagine that Clinton will fare any better with any of her initiatives, though Iām a bit unsure what they are exactly. Tonight, she wouldnāt even answer the question when asked what legislation she would put first. Similarly, though she tells us her economic plan has the blessing of economists, she offers not one detail. Anybody know what her plan to rein in the big banks consists of? Just enforcing Dodd Frank? Good luck with that.
Then if that is the case, it will prove that those progressives are stupid and willing to cut off their noses to spite their faces and fuck us all up. Great job idiots
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Youāre right. Moreās the pity.
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I guess you werenāt paying attention. And did you expect her to delineate all of her plans at a debate
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Oh come on. This was so not contentious. This was minor āattackingā
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If you got the details on that, Iād love to hear them because all I heard is that she wants to expand the ACA. But unless I stepped into the kitchen when she explained it all, I heard not a word about the how of it.
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So she said something beyond using Dodd Frank?
Then you and I were watching different debates.
I mean seriouslyā¦Bernie spent most of the night delivering exactly the same lines he delivers at every rally, in every debate and at every town hall. Talk about rehearsed lines. The man has redefined staying on message to be singularly obsessive.
Hillary by contrast came out well prepared, but, just as she did last night in the Town Hall, quite prepared to cover a wide range of topics with competency. Which she did.
Even in this one piece of the debate. How many times has Sanders told us that he was on the committee that wrote the actual bill? Every.Single.Time it comes up. Word for word, precisely the same response. Even after questions have been raised that he while he did have some input, he was not in fact the driving force behind writing the bill as he implies with that line.
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Sure, there were a few sharp elbows, but overall, I thought this was a very good, very substantive airing of their respective views. The fact that there was some real intensity in many of the exchanges is good ā in many cases these are hugely important issues theyāre talking about, it should be an intense debate. And by the way, intensity is a big part of what keeps eyeballs on screens, and hands off the remote.
If the rest of the debates go anything like this one did, the party is going to be so glad it added these extra debates, whoever the winner of the nomination ends up being. The contrast with the Republican insult-trading contests couldnāt be any starker.
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You know something about all those countries he lists? France, the UK, all of the Scandinavian countries?
They all have had female heads of state. Elected female heads of state.
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I just love Bernie Sanders. He is one of the most charismatic politicians I have seen (outside of Juan Bosch). Hillary Clinton is not him. Never will be him. But I will vote for her at the drop of a hat if Bern does not get the Nod.
That is some woman.
[Standard Disclaimer: This commenter wishes it to be known that in November he or she plans to vote for the Democratic nominee, whoever that turns out to be, and will encourage their fellow primary candidate supporters to do likewise.]
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Hey, you really are a troll, arenāt you?
Sanders won the first half of the debate in my view by looking as if he were speaking from passionate belief in a cause rather than giving a politicianās spiel;
Clinton found her footing at the half hour break and came off as informed and presidential on foreign policy while Bernie stumbled and equated it with unnecessary military spending.
They both were solid and gracious toward the end and I donāt think that any minds were changed.
OK, I take that back.
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I hope that you can see that Iām more interested in the politics and winning than any drama in the campaign.