Yeah, but in New York dollars, they are barely getting by, ughh.
Thank you. For commenters to think this isnât standard practice, well, they are just blind. I remember being âpromotedâ over 5 males. THEY immediately received a $10000 base salary increase and I got a âbonus arrangementâ. At the end of the year, all bonuses were cancelled because of the economic environment. Next they decided to roll back promotions and put us back in our original positions. Did I THEN get the base pay increase? No. From then on all raises were percentages derived from base pay. I fell further behind until I was laid off because âmy husband could support meâ in times of economic stress. In my next job I asked for $10,000 more when I quoted salary requirements in keeping with industry salaries. The âgood olâ boyâ network called each other and offered me TO THE PENNY what I had been making. So no, I didnât take that job.
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First off, canât they take the extreme close-up of Jillâs face off of the main article. You can see every freckle on her face and Iâm sure that no man has to put up with that : )
Second, it seems that a woman, at that level especially, would have an idea going in that her pay would be less than a manâs just because. Iâm a general Contractor in Colorado and I have heard about this for years. Itâs hard to believe that she just got wise after so many years.
Finally, there has got to be a long line of women right behind her that know that they are getting the same treatment. If Jill prevails in her case it will open a Pandoraâs box of complaints and litigation that will cost millions more than if everyone paid on the same scale up front ever wouldâve. Not to mention, that this has got to PO more than a few NYT female readers.
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I agree with you completely that the concern should be there. And it should be checked out. I was restricting my comments to Ms. Abramsonâs situation. It may or may not be indicative of a salary discrepancy problem at NYT but it certainly makes it worth looking into.
There is nothing atypical about the pattern and practices of sexist or racist behaviors in liberals or conservatives. The illness is associated with status, religion, power or money.
Because Abramson sought to address the issue she was perceived as uppity or pushy. Gal/friday, last in, first out of the Ole Boys Club. The NYT like the LA Clippers needs new leadership.
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I worked at IBM 15 years ago. I worked in a department with only men. Almost weekly, my boss received emails (I was cc-ed) from internal customers praising my work, often with a negative comparison to the help they had received from my coworkers. Many of the emails contained the phrase âI hope we are doing everything we can to keep her.â One day, one of my male coworkers had been asked to work on the machine that kept the personnel records. He very gleefully printed out and showed me that my salary was $10,000 less than every male employee but one: an African American with 20 years of experience at IBM. When I asked for a raise, I was told it âwouldnât be fairâ to the other employees since Iâd recently had one. I didnât mention that I knew their salaries, because it was against company policy to discuss salary (thatâs now illegal, I think). I quit instead of suing. Also, while I worked there, an upper-level manager called his secretary a âstupid c***tâ in a room full of witnesses, for some trivial mistake. When she filed a complaint with the Texas Workforce Commission, they fired her. Donât think just because a company is well known and wealthy that they would never engage in stupid and illegal practices.
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I donât see how they can use total compensation as a barometer, if the bonus aspect was related to her performance in helping to bring in more revenue. Damn straight she should make more then. But they shouldnât use that to catch her up from a lower salary base. BS.
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IOW, she was earning about 85% of what her male counterpart was earning after he stepped down from that position. Yep, that sounds about par for the course. And it sounds like the percentage would drop even farther for the earlier positions. So, for those Republicans who say there is no pay discrimination by gender, what excuse do you have to offer now? Will you try to claim that she was not aggressive enough, or not a good enough negotiator? According to the NYT, she was fired because she was TOO aggressive.
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Exactly, I think the researchers have said as much â that employers automatically offer a woman less for doing the same job, not so much because they consciously offer the woman less, but because they cannot bring themselves to offer the lower amounts to men.
I actually heard a top level manager say once, âWell, of course you have to pay the men more â they have families to support!â
As if the divorced and widowed women that worked for him didnât also have families to support, but somehow that justification was never applied to women. Nor was it applied to single men who did not have families to support.
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For the most part, I respect the newpaper itself (especially now that Judith Miller has left), but as an organization, the NYTimes really sucks and has for a long time.
And I believe that the answer to that would be âYes.â If Iâm not mistaken, they have been sued in the recent past for this very thing.
Just because you donât see it, does not mean it doesnât happenâŚ
Exactly!