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In this hyper-information age, thereâs no excuse for not having follow up info at hand or at least moments away. One thing these scoundrels have relied upon was their ability to lie and even contradict what they said before and get away with it. The only follow up would be much later at a time when no one was watching; following up in real time would make it impossible for these guys to get away with it. âNo Sirâitâs on your website. Letâs put it up for everyone to see.â And the air starts to leak out. âActually, Mr. Rubio, hereâs the public filing on your foreclosure.â Boom!
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All voters should âmoveâ on the Republican candiatesâŚas in move over to the winning Democratic team!
Bwahahah!
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Good thinking. Unless they had a good all-purpose response that would satisfy both right and left, then it is best to shut up.
Iâm often surprised how much traction Republicans get with their criticisms and manufactured outrages. CNBC ainât exactly âthe Daily Workerâ or âThe Appeal to Reason.â Lest we all forget, they were the ones credited with creating the TeaParty.
To me all of this press criticism comes off as petulant whining. So why does it play so well to the masses?
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And the three-year-olds will continue to stamp their feet and scream until they are given control over the menu. Cupcakes and ice cream all around! The party and media will be pondering âWhere did we go wrong?â
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Parasites, namely this batch of candidates, often have a symbiotic relationship with their host, in this case CNBC. But as in biology itâs usually the parasite that benefits.
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I personally do not blame the CNBC moderators for how the latest GoP debate debacle. For it is the band of GoP candidates that have a problem with reality and them wanting to cling to their tight circle is not good for America and the moderators had nothing to do with that factâŚ
Every single one of the GoP candidates have issues with each other and it is vicious by their own nature. Their lack of respect towards each other has NOTHING to do with CNBC moderators.
Its the GoP who is lazy and they all feel that âgovernmentâ is not necessaryâŚthat is the bill or pill they want the majority of Americans to believeâŚbut one has to reflect that our policies has maintained our standards and strengths for centuries and now that we have entered the 21st century, they want to strip our nation of its power and standing around the world!
Well, Iâm here to tell all of these suckers that my forefathers did not sacrifice their lives to allow a bunch of hateful thugs to trash it!
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Agreed, to a point. Itâs as if Jeb Bush claimed, in response to a question, that George W. Bush is not his brother, and everyone else being astonished that the questioner canât immediately pull out certified copies of both birth certificates. How can anyone be prepared for that level of reality denial? Similarly, who would expect a candidate to issue a flat denial of something thatâs prominently featured on his own website?!
But when it comes to policy positions, a moderator really does need to be prepared to âroll the tapeâ when the candidate starts lying through his or her teeth.
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As a progressive, I was gobsmacked by the conservative bias and general jackassery of the CNBC team that was on the air immediately before the event, so it seems like the network gored everyoneâs ox with this debacle.
Maybe they should just stick to testosterone-fueled shows pumping stocks. Pity NBC is getting tarred, though. And now everybody else will be treating these namby-pambies with kid gloves.
Gotta admit that the GOP strategy of reflexively crying âmedia biasâ is pretty brilliant. While I will agree that journalists tend to be on the liberal end of the spectrum (because, you know, they have to be literate to become journalistsâŚ), I am convinced that the endless butthurt from conservatives has them generally overcompensating in their reportageâŚ
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I totally agree with you!..
When these people come out and state flat out lies, they should be challenged right at that point. If any reporter or moderator had the gall to do that and are able to reference a clipping of the said stance on a particular issue or topic, then maybe, just maybe it would be easier for these GoP supporters to better understand the dangers of supporting any of these bums in the first damn place!
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I am puzzled why CNBC wanted this. The Republican candidates leave truth and honesty at home as they head out to the debate. As for CNBC: what were Santelli (Godfather of the Tea Party Movement) and Cramer doing there. Both are super bloviatorsâŚand their grasp of politics at the ground level is questionable. As for the Media! They looked at the money (advertisers) and wanted to get into the act. And CNBC goofed. But we will always see Trump: CNN, MSNBC and the others must get up each morning praying that Trump will call. They need him more than he needs them. I get the impression that Trump is enjoying this: the talking heads are being played. Pathetic.
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Well, if you are an experienced interviewer, you are prepared for that. On every question which contains the most anodyne assertion, you have a footnote sourcing the assertion. The evidence doesnât need to be entirely compelling, but just something to back you up. In the fictitious âbrotherâ situation, you would have in your question notes âYour brother [1] George did a shitty job [2] as President. Are you better than him?â [1] would says something like âPublic statements by JEB, George HW, George W, etcâ and [2] would have names/dates of opinion polls, maybe a list of facts like âno WMDsâ, etc. If JEB said âhe isnât my brotherâ the interviewer would say âBut weâve seen public statements from yourself, your parents, and George himself saying otherwise; are those inaccurate?â then you have JEB saying the same thing twice on the record, and a record of why that is likely false.
In the actual case, the question should have been annotated with at least â[1] Campaign web site statement on immigrationâ. Maybe Trump would still have said âIt doesnât say thatâ, but at that point you have the candidate clearly on record with no misunderstanding possible - either he doesnât know the shit his staff have put up on the campaign site or he is flatly lying about it - and where that assertion came from i clearly in the record.
Which is why I put 90% of the failure of that debate on the selection of âpersonalitiesâ to moderate rather than experienced political interviewers. This isnât like interviewing some corporate titan for a fluff piece. With this debate, real gains can be made through lying in the time it takes for the facts to be corrected, and if that correction isnât immediate the vast majority of viewers will never hear it. CNBC wasnât prepared for political coverage, and frankly thatâs probably why they were chosen.
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Smart lawyers always know in great detail the answers to their questions.
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I hope that future Republican debate moderators will ask even tougher questions and be prepared to back up their sources. The more the Republican babies cry, the worse they look.
I guess weâll find out what they value more - placating the chronic complainers or burnishing their credentials as journalists.
OK, I know the media owners will force them to swallow their integrity and do whatever it takes to goose ad revenues. I was just dreaming.
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You are absolutely correct, and its why I stand by the assertion that CNBC was incredibly amateurish about their handling of the entire debate.
However, they have created a precedent for rest of the GOP debates. Namely, the candidates can and will lie to any uncomfortable question, knowing they can instantly retort any follow up with âgotcha mediaâ and thus refuse to answer while attacking the mediaâŚwhich always gets big applause from a GOP audience.
And as far as poll standingâŚit will work. The typical GOP voter isnât concerned with details or facts. They want personalityâŚand berating the media for dragging facts into the discussion is exactly the personality they love.
It falls apart quickly once they get out of the GOP bubble, but right now, they are safely within it.
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Yes, and that GOP strategy of reflexively crying âliberal biasâ is now around 40 years old, and has been fabulously successful in first cowing and then coopting newsrooms across the country, turning what used to be generally fact-based reporting into the âbalancedâ he-said/she-said excuse for âjournalismâ we suffer with today. The right finally realized decades ago that theyâd never win a majority of voters based on their actual policies, so the funders and strategists behind modern movement conservatism determined to change the political landscape by changing the political conversation, via new conservative âthink tanksâ and organized browbeating of the media to âcover both sides!â Mission accomplished. Lord help us.
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"candidates for President âshould be able to answer tough questions.â
should be able to, but we are talking about Republicans.
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I agree. There should be a 10â wall mounted screen, ready to hold whatever supporting document the moderator has based their question on. The CNBC team must be used to dealing w/ more ethical people. Theyâll learn.
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âSimilarly, who would expect a
candidate to issue a flat denial of something thatâs prominently featured on his own website?!â
There is the very real possibility that Trump has NO IDEA what is on his website. I would not consider him a hands on kinda guy.
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