Donât muck this up, Demâs. Let Mr. Mueller finish his investigation first, THEN you can pile on.
Talking Politico Memo
Muellerâs work is the priority. He hasnât come this far to have his investigation impacted by people that should be on the same side.
The politico article is a mishmash of concern trolling and âdemocrats in disarrayâ.
The problem with waiting for Muellerâs report is Barrâs likely edits which will excise any negative information about Trump.
Republicans will waive that report as proof of the nothingberder, and the media will follow along, taking the wind out of any impeachment sails.
So the Dems are right to be asking questions and starting to run with this now, to start getting witnesses and testimony of their own.
A couple of things about this bother me:
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Mueller owes it to Congress to convey what he has because there is a constitutional duty here. Trump is a clear and present danger to the US. This goes beyond Muellerâs mandate.
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Any Dem who is dismissive of or concerned about impeachment needs to be kicked off the team managing this. The House Dems were elected to save the Republic. Running impeachment hearings is the thing that will do that. While impeachment itself may not result in conviction and removal from office, we know from the Nixon example that the interplay between the courts and the House can lead to resignation and curb the appetite of those in power to commit further crimes. In Trumpâs case, impeachment will likely curtail his ambitions to continue to please his bosses in Russia and further damage US national security.
I think Nancy Pelosiâs statement on Friday after the Stone arrest was clear. Any further appeasement of Russia by Trump will trigger impeachment. It may get triggered regardless because of the increasingly clear, hard evidence that his campaign conspired with a foreign power to undermine our elections.
âKeep in mind also that any impeachment effort would likely completely eclipse the Democratic policy agenda for at least a year.â
The house is on fire and theyâre worried about setting the table for dinner.
Yes. Disappointing. We just saw what the dems could do in an intelligent, focused way. Theyâve had two years to work on some of the fixes and went into overdrive after the November election.
They are not republicans, who have demonstrated time and time again that they only know how to obstruct, cheat, and lie. They do not know how to govern or support legislation that benefits the majority of Americans.
I am not seeing why there needs to be a collision here. The House can do investigations, and provide whatever we obtain to Mueller, but not expect to obtain information in return. Mueller seems determined to do his investigation in secrecy, which may make sense in terms of protecting sources (although at this point I suspect that the current level of secrecy may no longer be helpful.) Trump and his gangsters are playing their game in the court of public opinion, and I like the idea that we donât let them have that court all to themselves.
Mueller seems like a pretty wiley political operator, while being a good cop. Heâs been sharing the information underlying this report with numerous state prosecutions. The report itself will be subpeoned by Demâs if it is not released, and I think their is a good chance it will be leaked regardless. The DOJ is full of people who do their job, but loath Trump.
Short of a smoking gun, Trump wonât be removed from office. So everything needs to be judged from a political perspective of how it will shift public opinion before the election. I think Muellerâs report has much more potential than house hearings to turn moderates and even some conservative republicans against the President. I donât think it will be easy to suppress.
Bullshit.
Ohhhhhh the DoomsdayâŚ
They donât call âPoliticoâ â Tiger Beat on the Potomacâ for nothing. Gossipy bullshit where even mild professional disagreements are portrayed as the Battle of Stalingrad.
I think the worry from the Mueller team is that they have been playing a very long game, and theyâre sitting on most of their hard evidence-- thus far, pretty much every charge has been about lying, and weâve yet to see most of the actual hard-copy evidence (think e-mails, phone records, intel intercepts) that they clearly have backing things up.
But Iâm not really sure why, this far along, that should matter much if things start getting out in the public domain. Weâve already got the basic outline, and pretty much everyone short of the Trump family has been charged. And they know what they e-mailed/who they talked to, etc.
I think this adequately covers the first two years . . . but, now, we have a dangerous clown to stop. I cannot wait until 2025 for Mueller to feel that he can finally present the goods. (The way Comey handled the situation was terrible, but let us not fail by overcompensating.)
Itâs just so darn CUTE that Dems think their cute widdew âpolicy agendaâ has any actual meaning to a Senate controlled by Rs under McConnell or to Trump.
So now the House Dems are gong to spend most of the rest of this year wasting precious impeachment calendar time putzkying around over the language and implementation details of their utterly hypothetical âprogressive policy agendaâ.
Every time I think, Okay, what the Rs have done here is SO bad, theyâll lose everything and never control any branch of government again, thatâs when the Dems come up with these moronic notions of inflicting âpolicy damageâ on Rs thatâs theoretical to start with and to subtle for swing voters to give a crap about even if it were real, rather than getting on with THE ONE THING TWO THIRDS OF THE ELECTORATE AGREE ON, being doing your damnedest, Dem, to take out Trump. And thinking this doesnât just remind me why the GOP is a vampire that cannot be killed at the head of an inexhaustible supply of zombie voters, but that INEVITABLY the Dem will find some way of missing that footballs time and time again so that the GOP will be right back in control of both chambers of Congress in 2020 and connive back into the White House by 2024.
I agree with this sentiment 100%.
Thatâs why Iâm worried that a watered-down report released by Barr, where he removes references to Trump as an âuncharged third partyâ, would sway those people in favor of Trump. Theyâd say, look, even the report doesnât find any collusion. Regardless of whether certain facts were removed from what we see.
El GalesâŚ
THATâS the game going forward
- Click-Bait
- Distraction
- More Lies
- BOTHSIDERISM
- Doomsdaying
- Handwringing
- Chaos
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More Chaos
Thereâs more than enough to work with here that would allow the Democrats to start their investigation and hearings while staying out of Muellerâs way as much as possible.