Discussion for article #243734
Polls are like ( some ) politicians - they lie .
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This is still where we just know that Carson and Rubio seem nice to people that aren’t really paying attention. Not rabid like Cruz and Trump. When it’s a real head to head race we’ll know if we should worry.
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Please, do we have to go through this again? There are so many things wrong with this: 1) a “national” poll is meaningless because Presidents are not elected by population. We need state by state polls, and there are none at this point. So why waste our time with this? 2) Carson does not “beat” Clinton – the national poll has him ahead by a point, which is within the margin of error. They are essentially tied, but because Carson is sinking like a stone this is irrelevant. Groan. 3) The Rubio result is a tad more interesting, but it’s 1000 people, and it’s still within the margin of error (btw, TPM says the margin is 2.26%, but the poll itself says it’s 3.1%)*. The last time they did the poll, in October, Hillary was ahead by 3.
Sigh.
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Many things wrong indeed. I would add the WSJ and NBC are highly biased in that they have financial horses in the election race.
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I just upgraded to a Prime membership, despite my concerns over the baitclick headlines and poor writing like this. I guess I should have listened to my doubts.
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The thing that will hurt a Rubio/Carson (not a chance) type is all the outside “help” they will get from PAC’s who live in their own bubble and think that hate & fear sell. There will still be tons of ads about the dreaded “illegals” and the dangerous Syrian refugees and gay marriage, etc. but these ads will now be in support of the front runner, whoever that will be, and it will be harder for them to distance themselves from it without pissing off their own base.
Who’d have thought that Citizen’s United would lead to problems for them.
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I’m one of those who believes that Rubio can’t be the candidate because the conservatives don’t trust him after he introduced a rational immigration plan. Cruz will crush him among evangelicals and there aren’t enough rational Repub voters to overcome them. Rubio seems appealing until you listen to what he’s actually saying, but I think he’s toast.
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Irresponsible to poll or report this without including head-to-head results for Sanders. Simply comparing him to Clinton among Dems is not enough. Perhaps he draws more independent and even Republican support.
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I don’t believe it.
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President Carson. That’s a phrase that would get a person to go to Zillow.com and bring up “Toronto” in their search parameters.
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No, they just don’t have all the info sometimes. The real joke on Presidential polls is that they assume it’s a popular vote scenario. But Rubio is the likely nominee, and he will be a good matchup, but Hillary probably gets him in the debates.
What’s funny is all the people on here who fear Trump might become President. The guy has a flat out 47% “Very Negative” from all people, and 12% “Somewhat Negative”. That’s 59% of the people who don’t like him. He’s not going to be President. Ever.
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The fact that Carson is even in contention in these polls shows their complete lack of predictive power.
No one is running a general election campaign yet. Well Clinton might be a little bit but no one has heard from her for weeks due to the circus show on the GOP side hogging up all the air time. Meanwhile all the republicans are getting graded on a curve because the only metric being used is the highly distorted view of the GOP likely primary voter.
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Most people aren’t even paying attention at this stage in the game, except maybe to Trumpy because the media has responded to every idiotic word that falls from his gaping pie-hole.
At this point in time polls are meaningless.
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Naked Emporers everywhere are removing you from their party invite list.
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Get back to me when there are polls predicting the outcome in the Electoral College.
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The Electoral College matters? I thought Palm Beach County, Florida determined the President in a close election?
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If nothing else, I just don’t see any R beating Clinton. Even Rubio. Yes, he’ll give her a run for her money but win a national race against her? Nope. He may not come across as batsh*t crazy but he does come across as a dolt at worse and a lightweight at least. In a supposed matchup where Rubio beats Clinton 48-45, where is he supposed to get that 48% from? Who makes up that 48%?
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Only when the Governor of Florida is the brother of one of the candidates.
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Any poll showing Carson getting more than 1 percent, you know the respondents don’t know shit and aren’t likely to vote anyway.
I have no doubt Hillary or Bernie would wipe the stage with Rubio. No doubt whatsoever.
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