Discussion: Poll: Americans Blame Bush For Iraq Chaos

We don’t decide to go to war based on polling numbers. I’d bet that a majority of adults in the US couldn’t locate Iraq on a globe let alone describe the internecine war going on there. It is encouraging that a small majority of the country is against becoming involved.

Iraq war v 1.0 was the greatest blunder in US history. We broke it, worse than it was before Shock and Awe. We cannot fix it! We can only make it worse. We need to abandon the near-billion dollar embassy, get out of the country and let the Iraqi citizens fight their own battles. They have been at each others throats for fourteen centuries.

Not one more drop of US blood for the Middle East!

I’d like to see every congressman and senator stand up and declare their position on sending more of our sons and daughters into Iraq to fight and die. Don’t let the cowardly sons of bitches equivocate.

How many pro-war legislators are ready to send their own military age kids into the middle of a religious war on foreign soil? Rmoney has five strapping sons. Let’s hear the courage of his convictions by urging them to enlist and fight!

LD

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The mother of one of the young men, Mark Bingham, on United flight 93 which landed in a Pennsylvania field was vocal in her support of invading Iraq. I’ve never understood why she would believe that was a good idea. Her son and other men on that flight charged the terrorists and sadly died on their own terms and they remain heroes because of that. Not sure if bush reached out to her or other family members privately, but he should have.

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The Obama as Truman comparison was part of the discussion on Kornacki. Instant gratification isn’t fast enough for some.

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I was amongst the protesters at City Hall in SF at the time.

LD

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Quinnipiac University Polls are associated with the University but in reality are very much Wall Street and neocon based. They are spotty in policy issues and triangulates between politics as it affects the NY, PA, FL and East Coast Arc of the Universe.

I view the latest offensive of and about Obama as reactive to foreign policy issues and their attempts to change that narrative. Given the public’s ignorance on matters of government, staying out in the field on presidential approval and using the blame narrative so close to the elections, is telling.

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The branding on their clothing is too subtle for it to be TX.

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There is certainly something way too slick, well-equipped and costumed for this not to be orchestrated off-stage. And the leader, with his “Bow to me!!” edict is clearly a farce. I know they won their blitzkrieg because no one was prepared. But I doubt that Muslim countries with rich cultural histories are going to “bow down” to this joke.

We took BART since driving was out of the question, and each car was full of angry, frustrated people.

58% verses 55% that equals 3% in the plus for Obama for blame in Iraq. Nothing to hang your hat on Obama.

Obama did a bang-up job of conducting Counterinsurgency Ops in Iraq. That’s really all we could ask him to do. Iraq was never a fire that Obama was going to be able to put out. Bush fucked things up way too bad for that to be a possibility.

Thanks to Obama the troops are back home and not too many of them died under his watch. He was handed a shitty situation and he made the best of it. Tell all the neocons you know that they should find something else to whine about.

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were you going to volunteer to go over there and fix the neo-con fuckups?

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I like Obama a lot, and I wish it were true that he’ll be remembered up there with Truman. But I think historians will end up ranking him in the high-middling category.

Mainly, this is because he moved too far toward the positions of Republicans and Wall Street on key issues early in his administration before the negotiating even began. But it’s also because his administration has failed to focus strategically in its communications, placing Obama constantly on the defensive for executive orders and very minor scandals that should have been less controversial than far greater overreaches by other administrations.

The pre-negotiation compromises resulted in a stimulus that was too small, mild Wall Street reforms, and watered-down health reform. Just as significantly, they weakened his own and his party’s political position, which contributed to the agonizingly slow wind-down of Gitmo, and a spotty attack on climate change.

It’s true that Obama was left with the biggest mess in many decades (both domestic and foreign) – at least since FDR took office, perhaps since Lincoln. But that cuts both ways when it comes to evaluating presidents: Not surprising that Lincoln, FDR and Washington are considered our three greatest presidents. Bush’s disasters and the strong Democratic majorities in the 2009 Congress provided an opportunity to shine by solving problems in big, memorable ways.

We can be confident that Obama has been on the right side of history, and he’s achieved a lot more than the dominant media narrative credits him with. But he’ll also be remembered for his weak political position (partly of his own making) and for some very significant missed opportunities.

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Americans are by and large fucking morons

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WTF? Are you comparing results from totally different questions to arrive at your number? Tell us Einstein what does your statistic show? It’s not an average, not the mode, not the median or mean either.

What math is this exactly??

And you wonder why people here continually flame your stupid azz. You’re just dumb as dirt.

I asked several barnyard animals to share their thoughts upon reading your comment…

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Every once in while the American public astounds me. Actually getting it right this time is a pleasant surprise considering all of the hammering from the usual suspect trying to blame Obama for the cluster…. that is Iraq.

If anything, it probably reminded them of how they were taken by this war mongers.

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But only morons about the stuff that really matters; geniuses on pop culture & sports trivia. Great swathes of this country operate with a medieval level of superstition and ignorance with no regard for or understanding of empiricism. Personal “beliefs” reign supreme. Facts are regarded as someone else’s beliefs with which they do not agree.

LD has an adult niece who equates opinion with fact. she believes in the healing power of crystals, biblical inerrancy (Catholic), angels, ghosts, etc. She is home schooling 4 children because the public schools in her area (affluent) teach things she doesn’t believe.

I blame Americans for Bush and Bush for Iraq. According to the transitive property of equality, I blame Americans for Iraq. We can begin to redeem our error by staying the hell out of Iraq War v 2.0

LD

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From what I read when they took Mosul they also took $400 million from the bank. That solves the money side of the equation. Given the free-for-all that Syria has become, I’m sure there’s any number of ways they can get weapons into the region, and there are plenty of people willing to supply them if they have the cash.

I mean really!
You want us to house 50 refugee kids in our basement?

Get your punk^ss on an Emirates Airlines flight today you chirpy twit!

jw1
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Correction… 61% overall for the mess in Iraq. 51% for the current blame in Iraq. Obama did not earn high marks either , with 55% saying they disapprove of his handling of the current situation in Iraq. Is that better i hope. Its still not good either way you slice it for your dear leader.