Discussion: Politifact: Dem Claim Jeb Bush Oposes Same Sex Marriage 'Mostly True'

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His attempts at being “nuanced” are pretty lame. Should be interesting to see him deal with this in the GOP clown car debates. Not much room for him to “evolve” quickly after the Primary and prior to the General Election, should he be the nominee. Of course, if SCOTUS does him a favor and takes the issue off the table this year, he can blather on about how he would have preferred a “local” solution, but now it is settled law, activist judges, blah, blah blah.

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used a softer tone

If only Hitler had known…

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“(W)hat you do in your private life is your business.”

Except that, you know, me and my base can’t let you adopt kids, marry, teach children, and visit your non-spouse in the hospital. Oh, and you can’t have non-procreative sex. Other than that, whatever floats your boat!

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Discredited False Equivalency Peddler Deems Attack on Jeb Bush’s Gay Claim ‘Mostly True’

(TPM headline edited for enhanced accuracy).

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State’s Raahhts now and forevah! Unless, you know, it involves things we don’t like.

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Politifact has ruled by the Democratic National Committee that former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush ® opposes same-sex marriage as “Mostly True.”

OK, TPM, I get that you don’t want to hire copy editors, but for cryin’ out loud, can’t your editors even be bothered to be sure that the lead paragraph makes some sense and hasn’t omitted critical words?

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As usual, Politifact (along with FactCheck) are the best at researching this stuff. Sometimes I disagree with the degree of a rating, but the overall analysis is in the money. Excellent research on this one.

You can tell they are good when talking heads from both sides hate them. They don’t want you to fact check, they want you to just listen like sheep.

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I’m just unclear what the false part is. It feels like they threw in the “mostly” just as a Jon Stewart style sop to centroneutralism uber alles.

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For some reason the article did not link the politifact article.

Bush was against amending the State Constitution, which would have made it impossible for it to ever be legal.

Plus he said this.
“I think traditional marriage is what should be sanctioned and not at the expense of discriminating in other forms of family structure.” Bush said. “So I don’t support it, but I would say that wholesome loving family life ought to be kind of the organizing principle in a free society. If we don’t want to have government overwhelm us, then we have to be self-governing. … And if people love their children with all their heart and soul, and that’s what they do, and that’s how they organized their life, that should be held up as examples for others to follow, because we need it. We desperately need it, and that can take all sorts of forms. It doesn’t have to take the one that I think should be sanctioned under the law.”

So he has expressed some moderation and did not say he would “ban” gay couples adopting, hence “mostly true”. Remember mostly means “almost all true”, not “51%” true. Louie Ghomert would be a “True” rating with the same type of analysis. He would not only ban gay couples adopting, he would have them arrested for trying.

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Sounds an awful lot like ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’. Whatever someone does in an environment where they won’t be noticed by anyone else and then doesn’t talk about it to anyone else is that individual’s business. Otherwise, Republicans are forced to fantasize about just what those activities are and punish everyone else for their own inability to think about anything else.

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Politifact has ruled by the Democratic National Committee that former
Florida Gov. Jeb Bush ® opposes same-sex marriage as “Mostly True.”

For Christ’s sake, TPM, hire some fucking editors already.

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Discredited by who? A FOX or MSNBC talking head? Politifact has been quite good on their research and pretty fair in their ratings.

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The way to pin him down is to just keep asking him over and over. His answers will either keep varying or he’ll have to choose the conservative side if he hopes to have any chance whatsoever.
Wobblers are losers and as Democrats we learned that one the hard way in the midterms.

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