Discussion for article #239942
Shell casings ‘matching’ is caliber only. They would have said something different if they knew for a fact that that was the gun. Definitive proof is hammer marks, rifling, and/or prints on the casings found at the site.
A total of 15 shots puts him in automatic territory, and not that many guns can hold the whole number of bullets. Being shot 15 times, depending on the distance, can mean this guy reloaded many times. The average successful handgun interaction is within 10 feet.
I know cops, and I know Texas. I also know black folk and I know that, short of the guy being a maniac, he was inspired. Either this cop, or another cop, or maybe just the plethora of unarmed blacks being shot in the press - and the knowledge of all the other shootings of blacks, long acknowledged in the black community and ignored in the white - maybe brought this guy to the edge.
A black man in this country losing it and shooting a cop? Not too difficult to imagine. In Texas, a little bit easier. A grudge against a guy who waited until he was 37 before he joined up…what was this guy doing being accepted into the force at 37? Worth noting the recent case of a cop shooting an unarmed teenager where the guy was 49 and went into law enforcement after 10 years as a hairdresser. He was on the job only a few months before he shot a black kid.
There is something else going on here. I think these cops will railroad the guy even if he’s innocent. The history of Texas law enforcement leads that thinking. As for these guys in the picture, they’re on a self-pity high that will no doubt take them to the bar, and then home, and then maybe the wife to the hospital, and the next black guy looking at them funny too.
No, they said it matched the gun itself, they already knew the caliber of the casings, so why would they need to do ballistic tests to confirm a caliber?
The gun in question holds 14 bullets, plus one in the chamber. 14 plus 1 + 15. So there was no reloading. He emptied the gun on the guy in depraved fashion. You are just spreading bogus information that has zero basis in fact.
If you don’t know, why are you posting it. He was a 10 year vet. That’s a fact. The perp was busted on numerous occasions, and is clearly a low life POS.
Right, because no one is watching this case at all…and of course the video is really not him because all black guys look alike? And of course all the witnesses who described the guy and his vehicle are really “plants”, right?
The rest of your post is just pathetic.
No gun was mentioned in the article, so the number of bullets is moot at that time. A 1911 .45 won’t hold that many bullets.
When they match caliber alone, it is not enough. They need to match striking pin location, and rifling. All these years of CSI and you still don’t know how bullets are matched to guns, pretty dim.
I am not spreading bogus information, I’m trying to give a read between the lines. Metallurgically no real link has been made. Enough made for the Sheriff to blame Black Lives Matter though, yes? Who’s spreading misleading information again?
So he served 10 years, beginning at some age, then took a few years out, and went into police training at 36. Still old, and bumping the limit for the maximum age for many metro areas.
If you haven’t been reading much, I guess not, then you won’t know that a bunch of cops obfuscating over the killing of unarmed black men is not uncommon. If you have any sense whatsoever, you’ll know that a lot more is going than is being reported.
You’re stretching all over. I’ve made an argument, and I am right to doubt the ‘shell casings matching’ information because it is limited to…millions of guns countrywide.
I am not against the cops. I know a lot of cops. But I am cognizant of the history of police use of force against black folk, and have an inkling of just how much worse it was in the old days.
The shooter here is a madman. He may be a madman with a grudge. He may have a reason for that grudge. You’re just a knee-jerk cop lover red in the teeth to stick it to the black man after all the negative press.
If you reply - and I hope you go and boil your head in turpentine instead - please include the link to the details of the gun. Until I see a confirmation of the type of gun, you’re just whistling dixie.
How many blacks to be gunned down today? How many since the Civil Rights Act? How many known to the black community but unknown to the white community because we could give a damn less?
All things you’ll never think of. It’s called empathy, and you and many budding sociopaths don’t have any. Or choose to not have any.
Waste of space.
If you read my history of posts, I have many times taken sides against police (Tamir Rice, etc.). This is well documented, so don’t make stuff up about me.
As to “knee jerk”, everything you posted has been speculation and proven to be false at this point. Your first line says it all, you just assumed that if he took 15 shots, he must have reloaded. You were 100% wrong. And if you think this guy did not do the shooting, that’s pretty amusing.
My comment was about this specific incident, not some broad generalization. There are hundreds of incidents every day where people commit crimes. Blacks percentages are by far the highest. So, using your “logic”, then it would be OK to target blacks? Ummm, no.
Each incident is a specific incident. Darren Wilson was proven to be 100% justified in his actions, yet the entire BLM movement uses that shooting as their big moment? Funny. Tamir Rice? Total opposite, cops at fault for sure. Two completely different incidents, and they should be judged as such.
At the time, and with the information available, and knowing an average handgun’s capacity, thought that 15 rounds might make for a clip change. A fair assumption to make. But to you, proof positive of my leaping to conclusions.
Darren Wilson had a witness who was a cop-jockey and threw her thoughts into the ring days later, and could not even prove she was in the vicinity. Darren Wilson was a guy with training, a gun, a taser, pepper spray, and an SUV. Him having to shoot that kid instead of wait for backup - a minute away - is a good guide to the travesty the whole thing was. That they left him uncovered 4 hours in the street says a lot more.
‘Blacks percentages are by far the highest’. Another indication of your innate racism. Poor people commit crimes. And by far blacks are poorer. Add your hillbilly meth addicts and you’ll see a more balanced approach. But hey, you can tell it’s a black guy easier than you can tell it’s a poor guy. You’re an idiot.
No, I won’t read your bibliography. You’ve proven yourself to be a blasé reactionary in so few words as to make that a waste of time.
Good luck. Don’t be black. Don’t reach for your waistband. Don’t shoplift.
That one witness was discredited completely, and her statements were tossed. As were the statements of several other witnesses. I suggest you read the DOJ Report, because it sounds like you have not:
http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown_1.pdf
Read the whole thing, but pay special attention to the Legal Analysis on pages 78-82. They leave ZERO doubt that all actions by Wilson were justified, including the number of shots taken (Brown did not stop charging at Wilson until the last shot). Forensics backs this up 100%. I am astounded that you have not read this report frankly. But it sounds like no one at BLM did. Yet it is conclusive in saying Wilson was totally justified, and that Brown was the aggressor at the car, and also later charged at Wilson and did not stop until the last shot. In fact, a couple of black witnesses who were right there and never changed their stories said they would have shot Brown sooner. This is all documented fact.
The body was covered, but it never should have been left out there that long. I agree 100% with that statement. If you need to leave it out there that long because a coroner can’t get there, etc., then you not only need to cover the body, but you should also set up a barricade around it.
It was not the DOJ report that first exonerated Wilson. The grand jury heard the woman’s testimony and the DOJ wasn’t going to back up on it because none of the witnesses were infallible question-to-question. So few are. Enough to exonerate Wilson, though.
A man with a gun, a badge, training, a stun gun, pepper spray and a giant SUV couldn’t stop an unarmed 18-year-old shoplifter of any size. Brown wasn’t on PCP for God’s sake.
I’m not BLM. I’m just a regular guy with an advanced degree and a 178 IQ. I need neither to know that the kid was vastly overmatched, and the dumbass in the truck - not ‘the car’ - couldn’t handle him even with every substantial advantage, including a 6000-pound vehicle.
Take your rationalizations and blow them out of your simple mind.
Where’s my link to the fucking gun -
SO you didn’t read the report. Figures.
Actually the Grand Jury heard the woman’s testimony, yes. And it was presented by the Prosecutors, who told the Grand Jury that the woman was a liar.
Indeed, a review of the grand jury documents released by St. Louis County shows that McElroy’s account was questioned openly and extensively by authorities. Grand Jury Volume 15 includes her Oct. 23 testimony in front of the grand jury, as well as a transcript of a recording of an Oct. 22 interview between McElroy and a federal prosecutor that was played for jurors. The federal prosecutor tells McElroy that her account of driving through Ferguson is physically impossible, informs her that her car can’t be found in any images from the scene, solicits an admission that she “used the N-word” online a half-dozen times in relation to Brown’s death, and asks her explicitly if she used media accounts to fabricate parts of her testimony. McElroy speaks about having memory problems in both the recorded interview with the federal prosecutor and the in-person interview in front of the grand jury, and tells both the federal prosecutor and the jury that she suffers from largely untreated bipolar disorder. In McElroy’s Oct. 23 testimony, the grand jury prosecution picks skeptically at her claim to have come across the Wilson-Brown encounter—which did not take place on a main road—after getting lost while trying to find a friend’s apartment. (And, to repeat, the federal prosecutor’s skeptical interview with McElroy was played for grand jurors that day as well.)
As the Smoking Gun does mention, McElroy returned to the grand jury on Nov. 3 with a new story about why she was in Ferguson. In testimony in Grand Jury Volume 18, McElroy reads from a journal and attests that she was in fact travelling to the area to conduct personal research to help her understand black people (!). But the Smoking Gun doesn’t mention that, in those same grand jury records, a prosecutor says (in front of jurors) that McElroy had admitted she may have gotten details of her earlier testimony off the Internet, points out that her journal entry from the morning before Brown’s death is suspiciously detailed, and asks McElroy directly whether she may have made up or “dreamed” the events that she’s testifying about. Another prosecutor tells McElroy she believes McElroy is “confused” about her own account and grills her about her animosity towards blacks and her use of racial slurs.
“…testimony transcripts themselves indicate that it’s unlikely that McElroy’s account was taken seriously by grand jurors” - far from conclusive, but good enough for you.
You’re a useless bastard standing behind a piece of paper. I am not in BLM. I’m a white man. I don’t need to know the report to know that the cop had every possible advantage, had backup coming, and still got out of the car and made absolutely sure the boy was DEAD.
You don’t understand that that is an abomination, and what that means is that you’re a by-the-book sociopath, racist, and internet bullshitter.
Where is the link to the gun, asshole. Twice you can’t find it.
Go away now.
He tried to get out of the car, and was shoved back in, punched in the face a few times, and then Brown tried to take Wilson’s gun. Established fact. Brown was clearly the aggressor.
Brown ran a bit, turned around, briefly raised his hands, then charged at the cop. Established fact.
Brown’s female friend said Brown had been very depressed and was having trouble dealing with life. Suicide by cop seems likely. He robbed a store (strong arm robbery), then walks down the street with stolen merch in hand. Who does that? Someone looking for trouble. He got it, though it’s still tragic. This is all in the DOJ Report.
All facts. DOJ and Eric Holder concur. And all forensics back it up. This can’t be debated. You seem more interested in name calling though, and that’s not my style. So I’ll pass.
You say ‘established fact’ and I say eyewitness malleability and a cop’s covering his ass.
Suicide by cop. You are a piece of work, man. I look forward to meeting you one day, and shoving your smug and careless opinions down your neck. Suicide by cop is for the clinically depressed and the meth addict on a 3-week tear.
DOJ and Holder concur. Do you have any idea what politics is?
You are the worst of the worst. Crowing over a dead boy.