Discussion: Police Depts Push Back On Trump: We Don’t ‘Condone’ Abuse Of Prisoners

Exactly.

When will his supporters finally admit that to themselves? The one thing I always thought would kill him with his supporters was weakness. He campaigned as Mr. Tough Guy Fix It and he’s neither tough nor fixing anything.

Since Day 1 it’s been the same: golf, tweet, whine, repeat.

How in the world are they avoiding the whining? No president ever has whined like this. I’ve never heard another grown man whine like this. Jeeeeeesus!

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This is not push back. This is minimal passive restatement of official policy. But the cops laughing and applauding it at this shitshow “rally” give proof to how there are many cops do not take this seriously and get off on being armed bullies with a legal mandate.

The smart cops understand this is wrong, and sets back good policing decades, and puts cops (and the community) more at risk.

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Based on the applause, a lot of police condone the hell out of beating and murdering prisoners. Their bosses just made the bare minimum in PR coverup.

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It was also a stupid thing for those Cop’s to do. I reinforces the notion that they are unnecessarily rough and that they are because they think they have a right to judge situations. Pre-punish. The Cops did not need this but if you’re receiving a speech from a guy that thinks Dirty Harry was real it’s what you’re going to get. If Trump had said " You are the guardians of civilization" and they cheered everyone would have loved it. Alas he’s not that deep. So the man that’s never faced tough a minute in his life threw out some Rambo spew and hundreds of unthinking Police Officers cheered it. Now they own it.

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On the other hand we can be thankful he declined an invitation from the NAACP.

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I’m gonna miss Reince. He was like that guy in the Bullwinkle cartoons, with the broom and bucket, cleaning up after the parade.

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I’ll condone abuse of one prisoner and one prisoner only…though we may have to wait until the Muehller investigation is over before he’s perp walked.

When did Reince actually clean anything up at all?

I absolutely agree with you about The Resistance. A couple of my kids have been very active in it, and I give it enormous credit. They made the difference: no doubt.

In a lot of ways, it is probably better to have the opposition bubbling up organically. But at some point there will need to be a focal point, an individual who can rally the opposition and give it shape. I was just trying to make that argument and reference the historical example of the 1930s, while - none too subtly - referencing the one politician who took on Trump - head on - and was then abandoned by those who were either taken in by Trump or foolishy minimized his threat. As Jack Kennedy said, “Those who think they can ride the tiger wind up inside.”

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I appreciate the statement of the Suffolk County PD, but I will stay out of that county. The official position of the chief and the attitude of the rank and file, unfortunately, seem irreconcilable.

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Liked x thousands! So I obviously agree. haahaha

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Come on, let’s face it. Whatever the “suits” and the politicians and the people with the stars say about policy and procedure, the cops who were hooting and applauding were showing us what they think of all that crap, how much attention they pay to it and how they actually behave.

Trump just gave them permission to do what they were already doing that is irrevocable and that the chiefs and commissioners can’t undo unless they’re willing to start firing and prosecuting and, yeah, frankly, deunionizing their departments.

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I’m from Gainesville, FL. and couldn’t stop laughing at GPD’s response. This is a police dept. with blood on its hands, killing Cory Rice with 3 gunshots to his back over a traffic violation (Gainesville settled with the family for over 700k). Recently killed by police was 16 year old high school student Robert Detmond, who had a history of mental illness. Over 30 rounds were fired at Detmond by 9 officers with many missing and entering occupied apartments.

I personally witnessed a GPD officer grab an elderly man and throw him off his bike and on to the hot asphalt because the guy was homeless and didn’t have any ID. When I looked him up in public files his picture had noticeable scrapes on his nose and forehead. His charge? Resisting arrest. What was he being arrested for that he was “resisting?” No other charges were listed. I could go on and on but its the same everywhere. Many cops go to extremes and they are protected by their fellow officers, prosecutors and the judicial system.

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Well, as much as I detest every police union I´ve heard about, I still think that they have to right to have a union. And I imagine that the prosecutors and judges are the primary enablers of cop misdeeds, don´t you think?

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Vintage Trump. Hide behind Secret Service, body guards,lawyers and police then shoot your mouth off like you are some thing more then five deferment Don.

Was this really worth it to their careers?

Depends. If you expect the rule of law and “innocent until proven guilty” to remain the way this land of ours operates, then probably not.

If you figure that the New Order will do away with such niceties, then that may change the calculation.

Honestly, no. The real problem is jurors, first and foremost. Because of the way we pick juries it is pretty much impossible to prevent the inclusion of at least one authoritarian mentality who will hang it no matter what evidence you present as long as the cop is white. And that knowledge is a big part of the prosecutorial reluctance–why build up all the ill will with an insitution you depend upon if you can’t even win the damn case?

Only way to fix that is to set up an entirely independent prosecutor’s office with it’s own investigators. And no one wants to do that.

But based upon the way they behave, I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that the harm to good ratio from police unions is so lopsided, and the work that cops do is so utterly unsuited to the union model, that, no, they just flat out ought to be banned. It’s like letting the military unionize (and yeah, I know some European countries do that).

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Basically he’s letting his freak flag fly, excoriating his political “enemies,” real or imagined, and engaging in rage-filled, violent fantasies against foreigners who our attacking our “beautiful young girls” wIth machetes. He was utterly creepy when he was describing the female victims. It was like sex and violence porn.

I’m an immigration lawyer and I have followed the conduct of the Central American gang MS-13 in Long Island, and am frankly horrified by it. Four (Hispanic) Long Island residents were attacked by gang members and were indeed murdered with knives and machetes. Of course these gang members should be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But that doesn’t mean that they are not entitled to due process, like any other criminal defendant, and their crimes certainly shouldn’t be seen as giving a green light to police brutality.

Our president, however, is incapable of such thoughts. I listened to his speech and saw a violent, psychopathic, mentally ill individual with the mindset of a mafia don. He has no concept of the rule of law, and is a disgrace to the office he occupies. I can’t wait for the Russia investigation to expose the full extent of his own crimes. He can’t be removed from office fast enough.

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In the video of Trump, I’m sure every laughing applauding officer will be known far and wide amongst defense attorneys. Good luck to those officers when they try and testify in a case, because that will absolutely be used against them.

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I wonder how many repeat performances it will take before organizations stop inviting him?

I wonder how many CEOs or billionaires invite trump to curry favor, then make their minions clean up the PR mess afterwards?

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