Discussion: NYT Public Editor Slams Michael Kinsley's 'Sneering' Review Of Greenwald's Book

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“Sneering” in a media kerfuffle?!?!!? I’m shocked.

Kinsley’s piece reeked of professional envy and personal animosity. I felt a little embarrassed for him.

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I felt like I was reading a GG article.

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Oh, NOW we get it: it was supposed to be a Book Review! See, when I read Mr. Kinsley’s screed, I didn’t get that, mostly because there wasn’t much if anything in it about the book.

Sometimes that’s appropriate. Martin Amis once had a review published of a book by Desmond Morris on English professional soccer, and Mr. Amis decided to spend almost all the space allotted for his review in discussing his own take on the subject of the book. Eventually, Mr. Amis threw in less than a sentence, right near the end (presumably to lend the impression of it being an afterthought) about how the subject of the book appeared to have completely evaded Mr. Morris’ comprehension, or even attention. And that was fine, because the treatment struck the mark exactly in the bull’s-eye

Mr.Kinsley’s aim, however, was not so true. His review of Mr. Greenwald’s book was more like a Cheney Shot, where the hunter shoots a friend in the face, or mortally wounds an ally, or offs his own foot.

Yet, The New York Times presumably PAID Mr. Kinsley for a book review, right? This is a good gig Mr. Kinsley’s been able to secure for himself: just off the value in his own name, he managed to get published in the Paper of Record a screed so devoid of substance and so puffed up with hubris, it might as well have been posted at NRO, The Daily Caller or on the Breitbart site.

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…or a Greenwald article.

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This comment, I strongly suspect, was posted by someone who’s not read Mr. Greenwald’s book, nor possibly any article he’s ever published, and perhaps not even Mr. Kinsley’s, um, “review”. I feel like sending a wave and a ‘Yoohoo, we SEE you!’ to some troll hunkered down behind a bit of decayed public infrastructure.

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Would that be one of the Greenwald articles in which he revealed the scope of NSA surveillance activities and for which he won the Pulitzer for public service?

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Well, at least we have a reasonable suspect for who clicked “Like” on CallmeEric’s comment.

He’d respond, but for the fact he’s not read any of those.

What a profoundly misinformed assumption,

Try shooting from lower down on the hip, you might get lucky and accidentally hit something.

Edit: Misread the comment as being directed at me thanks to the non-threading aspect of the less than stellar commenting schema.

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What’s there to suspect?

Click on the red “1 person liked it” link and you can see who it is.

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Greenwald is what Kinsley wishes he could be, because whatever Greenwald’s flaws, deference to tastemakers with money to burn isn’t one of them, whereas, Kinsley pays the piper over and over again.

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The moneyed tastemaker funding his vanity project website aside, of course. I’m sure that’s what you meant…

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I’m not sure which character in this telenovela has me giving the least amount of f**ks about the outcome.

They’re all making the National Enquirer look like the closest thing to a proper news source.

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Writing for the New York Times Book Review, Kinsley levied personal insults at Greenwald and wondered whether the newly crowned Pulitzer Prize winner might deserve to be locked up for his reporting of the agency’s surveillance programs.

Pretty much like most of the GG Haters/NSA suck-ups at TPM - they are great at levying shallow insults, not so much at refuting his work. It’s SOP.

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Poor Kinsley has been ripped to shreds over this across the webbertoobz. Barry Eisler at Techdirt has a great piece ending with this gem:

Kinsley claims that, “Especially in the age of blogs, it is impossible to distinguish between a professional journalist and anyone else who wants to publish his or her thoughts.”
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Really? I think a good working test of whether someone is a journalist, professional or otherwise, is whether he or she agrees with Kinsley. Because if you believe the government should have ultimate decision-making authority over what leaks to publish, you might be many things. But a real journalist isn’t one of them.

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Hey, if you think you can “refute his work”. have at it! Let’s ALL see what you got in your handly little embroidered refutation bag.

While you’re at it, be sure to include some refutation of the Guardian - oh, and don’t forget Barton Gellman, and the Washington Post.

Whew! That’s actually QUITE SOME LOAD of refutation you’ve set yourself up to show us all. I for one am 110% - maybe even 1000%! - dedicated to reading each … and … every … word of what you’ve got to “refute his work”. I’m VIBRATING at the very prospect. Standing by. On alert. Waiting. Bated breath. Tenterhooks. Can’t wait. Oh, this is JUST like Christmas!

… ach … I had so much fun typing that, I failed to notice I was issuing friendly fire.

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Since it appears you may have forgotten to include this…

~DROPS THE MIC~

Ha! No problem, Avattoir.

I even give you extra points for “handly little embroidered refutation bag” :wink: