And then, a few months later, Saudi Arabia bombed 2 Doctors Without Borders hospitals in Yemen using bombs Obama sold them. Reported here and elsewhere, bomb fragments had “Made in the USA” on them. Laughable apology, then repeated Crimes Against Humanity only a few months later again. That’s Obama, folks, serial lying coward, the worst. And who is bombing the hospitals in Syria now? Guess who. And who is creating these false flag War Crimes and then blaming Syria and Russia? Guess who, folks. Right, you got it.
So, every systemic evil within our massive national foreign military machine, developed by millions of Americans working over many decades, is down to, Thanks, Obama.
You really are an idiot.
How can you blame this on Obama. I’m sure you have no knowledge of what happened in Kunduz that day other than media crap. How is Obama to blame?
If My Lai was fine, an hospital with 47 deaths should be OK as well.
Ohhh boy…here it comes!!! Come on TPM’ers…get your goody two shoes on.
MSF went into a combat zone. On their own volition. They were operating in a “hot zone”…a place where hostilities are inevitable. That was very brave and noble of them but it was risky as hell too.
The USA is not involved in land operations in Afghanistan other than as consultants. It supports the Afghan Army. Afghan soldiers in Kinduz reported receiving small arms fire from a block of buildings to their American helpers. Those Americans opted for an AC 130 attack rather than a ground troops one. The AS 130 is a cargo aircraft equipped with 105 mm howitzers that are stabilized for direct fire and it has mini guns or electro-driven machine guns capable of thousands of rounds a minute. The planes engage by direct fire ( they are looking at their targets ) and acquire their targets by grid called into the FDC from the ground. They use the “nature of target” in the fire mission request to determine the weapon system they will use. For troops within a building it would be the 105’s.
Target named by Afghan troops. Referred to Tac Air by American Infantry serving in advisory capacity. Air Force requests appropriate weapon system, in this case a AC 130 and moves on target. It was a hospital WITHOUT an H on the top. The hospital was a long standing one and know to ground forces as such. The crew in the AC 130 were Air Force and had no idea what it was.
The Afghan forces claimed the building was used by Taliban as a rendezvous or staging area. There appears to be no truth to that but that’s what they believed. So, despite it being a hospital, they had no hesitation calling it in as a location of hostiles. And they did. That location was referred by US Forces that had no idea was was a hospital. And it was struck.
MSF Claimed the US Forces knew it was a hospital an attacked it as such. That was not true. They claimed the US changed its story. That was not true. They claimed there was adequate warning but it went unheeded. That was not true. Its a God damn fucking combat zone. Where the fuck do you think phrases like FUBAR, SNAFU and Catch 22 came from? Combat Zones. It is ridiculously unreasonable to think folks are going to have the demeanor of a Sunday Brunch when they’re getting their kidneys blown out of their backs. When you are dirty, exhausted and in mental collapse. So, yes, the hospital was “on record” as such but in that Combat Zone no one had the fucking records or was in any shape to read or comprehend them. MSF knew damn well what they were getting into. A mess like the one I described.
The USA did NOT deliberately kill folks in a hospital. Fuck MSF ( va te faire foutre MSF ) for saying so. The folks that got punished did so for failures that should not have been made even under the circumstances that existed that day in Kinduz. But no one deserved a firing squad nor does any American have to take orders to self loath from a fucking bunch of French doctors. The Americans and the French are there for the same reasons: to help.
Yes, OK. But why are we not surprised? Because past experience shows us that these events are never investigated with an eye to determining whether there was criminal conduct. They may uncover what actually happened, but they are intended as a cover-up, and a cover-up is what we get. And I speak as someone who supports the US efforts against the Taliban and ISIS.
Fuck you for thinking there was Criminal Intent. You must be a first class non-Military dipshit. The military investigates like no other. If you fuck up and they catch you…you go down.
Fuck off…who said My Lai was fine? Who the fuck said that?
Exactly.
We never even got a straight story of how Pat Tilman got killed. But they did give them the Silver Star for Heroism under friendly fire. Not sure how they were able to assess that he was heroic without being able to figure out how he got shot st close range from friendly fire.
Then why no one was ever punished?
The only one convicted was William Calley, and he served only three years of house arrest and later pardoned. That’s not exactly an example that was made. Whats more he was later on the wingnut speaking circles whining about how unfair that he was kicked out of the army.
Who went down for the My Lai? What about Haditha?
Well, actually, I never said there was criminal intent. What I said is that there’s no trust that an investigation would have uncovered whether there was.
Of course, unlike you, I don’t know absolutely all the facts.
Ok, so now we know that the people in the attack helicopter had no idea what that big red cross on the roof meant and that the helicopter flew and fired on people in wheelchairs all by itself. It was all an accident and no one ever did anything on purpose. It was all a big accident that couldn’t be avoided and no one intended to fire on the hospital, but the gunship did it all by itself. No one deliberately pulled a trigger or fired any rockets. Some computer somewhere must have done it autonomously.
The BS is so thick and deep in this post it would take a book to unpick. For one you have no idea what “crimes against humanity” actually means. Ignorant screaming may pass muster at Salon, but you are just embarrassing yourself posting such things here.
Is this what Putin’s paying you to say this week?