Discussion: New Poll Shows Hillary Clinton With Significant Lead Over Top GOP Rivals

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Doesnā€™t mean a thing. Why do we waste time even reporting these polls? Hell, why waste time conducting them?

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Iā€™d like to se the results of a poll pitting her against Elizabeth Warren.

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Hilary is killing Warren, and anybody else mentioned, in current polling. Like over 50 points killing.

Thatā€™s just a quickie from CNNā€¦but you can google it and take your pick.

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Yep, the only people who think Warren is a viable candidate are political junkies on the left. Plus, now that on numerous occasions sheā€™s said sheā€™s not running, that she supports HRC, it would be really hard for her to mount a credible campaign. HRC would just air ad after ad after ad of Warren singing her praises. Warren is exactly where she needs to be.

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I would prefer Warren over Hillary by a gazilion. I do agree Warren is more effective where she is but she has the right message to get the people to the polls. Perhaps she will be campaigning for Hillary which would probably help. I do not, however, think Hillary is the answer to our prayers. I sure hope someone challenges her and makes her move to the left of center instead to the right of center where she lives.

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In the annals of meaninglessness, polls this far out rank high.

As anyone who recalls the polling long about, oh, 2007, might recall.

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Good to see that for all their pirouettes and about faces on ā€˜inequalityā€™ (Mitt Romney, you two-faced SOB) they are not getting ANY traction against the presumptive Democratic candidate.

I might have worried earlier, given her husbandā€™s centrism, about Hillary, but I think she may actually have learned some things from her association with Obama. Iā€™m specifically encouraged by her coming out strongly in support of his recent executive actions.

By articulating ā€˜middle class economics,ā€™ Obama has given Hillary a gift. No longer will she claim to only be working on behalf of the poor ā€“ an idea that turns GOPers off and makes liberals cynical about her (perhaps there are too many Christians in this country who recall Jesusā€™ saying that ā€˜the poor will always be with youā€™ā€¦ Since poverty is relative, it may indeed be ā€˜permanent.ā€™)

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Is there an option for ā€œWho is that?ā€

This should inflame the liberal base.

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Once upon a time, Hillary was seen, by liberals and conservatives alike, as being by far the left-most figure in the Clinton inner circle. The idea that she, or for that matter, Bill, have some firmly fixed Third Way/DLC wanker ideological baseline thatā€™s utterly detached from both the the needs of the current socio-economic climate and their sense of what the voters want and will accept is, I believe, false.

She failed utterly to grasp how quickly the seemingly solid Bush-Cheney foundation would wash away and take a chance on that happening. And, her votes for the Iraq War and that abominable bankruptcy law package are still unforgivable to me. But I donā€™t have to forgive her for those to prefer her to all alternatives on the horizon. If someone arises out of nowhere who wonā€™t bring that baggage to the race, Iā€™ll take a look. But I like to think Iā€™m pretty well aware of who else is warming up for the game and in a position to even think about stepping in, and so far, I am unimpressed.

And if she wins, the one thing I am not, repeat not, going to do if she becomes president is engage in the constant fixation on trees rather than the forest, and bewail every individual instance of imperfection and failure to do a thing the way Iā€™d want it done that Obama, like Clinton and Carter before them, had to endure from their own base.

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Woopie, we are marching toward a coronation and not an election.

I want Hillary to make a strong case why we should elect her. Otherwise we could find ourselves in a world of hurt.

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ā€œJeb/Mitt/Rand/Ted/Scott: youā€™re entering a world of pain.ā€

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Her calculation on that vote has always bothered me as well. However, it is important to note that ā€˜nose holdingā€™ in votes is a common exercise in congress. There was no way the war authorization wasnā€™t going to pass. If she voted against it, the same war would have been fought. By voting for it she kept open the opportunity to influence the prosecution of the war and also helped maintain a united front to our enemies. A significant ā€˜noā€™ caucus could have put troops at risk if it was thought a higher death toll could tip support against the invasion.

What I have never been able to forgive is her unwillingness to admit what she did and why she did it. She knew the war case was fraudulent and that Bush and Cheney were breaking a sacred trust in pushing it. Pragmatism is one thing. Pretending virtue when there is none is another.

Still, that lapse aside, I more or less agree with you.

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Iā€™m not sure what the means honestly. Would Clinton win if she is nominated? Of course. Iā€™m pretty sure that the democrats could nominate a rabid chihuahua with the campaign slogan ā€œIā€™ll bite you if you vote for me!ā€ and they would probably still win against the clown the GOP primary voters will go for.

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OH yeah? Two words:
BEN GHAZI!!!

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Goodā€¦altho Iā€™ll be the first to say Iā€™m tired of the third-way ā€œconservative Demā€ crap. We need to find a good way of keeping her Wall Street sensibilities on a tight fucking leash.

That being said, part of the leash equation is keeping Warren right where she is and getting behind her as suchā€¦not wallowing in delusions that sheā€™s a viable candidate for 2016.

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One reason for skepticism about polls this far out is that they measure name recognition for the most part. However, in this cycle nearly all the names mentioned are very well recognized (with the possible exception of Warren). None of these people will be introducing themselves to the electorate in any meaningful sense - most have run for president before, or had very high media profiles.

I suspect these polls are more meaningful than the average year-and-three-quarters out presidential polls.

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This is still GOP Frankenstein fluffing for every mention of ā€œHillary!ā€ sends a new blast of lightening up the neck bolts of of the yet to be assembled monster er, candidateā€¦

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Since Hillary! '16 is a done deal, letā€™s just anoint her on January 20, 2017.