Discussion for article #232363
Doesnāt mean a thing. Why do we waste time even reporting these polls? Hell, why waste time conducting them?
Iād like to se the results of a poll pitting her against Elizabeth Warren.
Hilary is killing Warren, and anybody else mentioned, in current polling. Like over 50 points killing.
Thatās just a quickie from CNNā¦but you can google it and take your pick.
Yep, the only people who think Warren is a viable candidate are political junkies on the left. Plus, now that on numerous occasions sheās said sheās not running, that she supports HRC, it would be really hard for her to mount a credible campaign. HRC would just air ad after ad after ad of Warren singing her praises. Warren is exactly where she needs to be.
I would prefer Warren over Hillary by a gazilion. I do agree Warren is more effective where she is but she has the right message to get the people to the polls. Perhaps she will be campaigning for Hillary which would probably help. I do not, however, think Hillary is the answer to our prayers. I sure hope someone challenges her and makes her move to the left of center instead to the right of center where she lives.
In the annals of meaninglessness, polls this far out rank high.
As anyone who recalls the polling long about, oh, 2007, might recall.
Good to see that for all their pirouettes and about faces on āinequalityā (Mitt Romney, you two-faced SOB) they are not getting ANY traction against the presumptive Democratic candidate.
I might have worried earlier, given her husbandās centrism, about Hillary, but I think she may actually have learned some things from her association with Obama. Iām specifically encouraged by her coming out strongly in support of his recent executive actions.
By articulating āmiddle class economics,ā Obama has given Hillary a gift. No longer will she claim to only be working on behalf of the poor ā an idea that turns GOPers off and makes liberals cynical about her (perhaps there are too many Christians in this country who recall Jesusā saying that āthe poor will always be with youāā¦ Since poverty is relative, it may indeed be āpermanent.ā)
Is there an option for āWho is that?ā
This should inflame the liberal base.
Once upon a time, Hillary was seen, by liberals and conservatives alike, as being by far the left-most figure in the Clinton inner circle. The idea that she, or for that matter, Bill, have some firmly fixed Third Way/DLC wanker ideological baseline thatās utterly detached from both the the needs of the current socio-economic climate and their sense of what the voters want and will accept is, I believe, false.
She failed utterly to grasp how quickly the seemingly solid Bush-Cheney foundation would wash away and take a chance on that happening. And, her votes for the Iraq War and that abominable bankruptcy law package are still unforgivable to me. But I donāt have to forgive her for those to prefer her to all alternatives on the horizon. If someone arises out of nowhere who wonāt bring that baggage to the race, Iāll take a look. But I like to think Iām pretty well aware of who else is warming up for the game and in a position to even think about stepping in, and so far, I am unimpressed.
And if she wins, the one thing I am not, repeat not, going to do if she becomes president is engage in the constant fixation on trees rather than the forest, and bewail every individual instance of imperfection and failure to do a thing the way Iād want it done that Obama, like Clinton and Carter before them, had to endure from their own base.
Woopie, we are marching toward a coronation and not an election.
I want Hillary to make a strong case why we should elect her. Otherwise we could find ourselves in a world of hurt.
āJeb/Mitt/Rand/Ted/Scott: youāre entering a world of pain.ā
Her calculation on that vote has always bothered me as well. However, it is important to note that ānose holdingā in votes is a common exercise in congress. There was no way the war authorization wasnāt going to pass. If she voted against it, the same war would have been fought. By voting for it she kept open the opportunity to influence the prosecution of the war and also helped maintain a united front to our enemies. A significant ānoā caucus could have put troops at risk if it was thought a higher death toll could tip support against the invasion.
What I have never been able to forgive is her unwillingness to admit what she did and why she did it. She knew the war case was fraudulent and that Bush and Cheney were breaking a sacred trust in pushing it. Pragmatism is one thing. Pretending virtue when there is none is another.
Still, that lapse aside, I more or less agree with you.
Iām not sure what the means honestly. Would Clinton win if she is nominated? Of course. Iām pretty sure that the democrats could nominate a rabid chihuahua with the campaign slogan āIāll bite you if you vote for me!ā and they would probably still win against the clown the GOP primary voters will go for.
OH yeah? Two words:
BEN GHAZI!!!
Goodā¦altho Iāll be the first to say Iām tired of the third-way āconservative Demā crap. We need to find a good way of keeping her Wall Street sensibilities on a tight fucking leash.
That being said, part of the leash equation is keeping Warren right where she is and getting behind her as suchā¦not wallowing in delusions that sheās a viable candidate for 2016.
One reason for skepticism about polls this far out is that they measure name recognition for the most part. However, in this cycle nearly all the names mentioned are very well recognized (with the possible exception of Warren). None of these people will be introducing themselves to the electorate in any meaningful sense - most have run for president before, or had very high media profiles.
I suspect these polls are more meaningful than the average year-and-three-quarters out presidential polls.
This is still GOP Frankenstein fluffing for every mention of āHillary!ā sends a new blast of lightening up the neck bolts of of the yet to be assembled monster er, candidateā¦
Since Hillary! '16 is a done deal, letās just anoint her on January 20, 2017.