If it’s the poll I saw, she came in first, over 50%, which is good start in country where a landslide means anything over 54-55%
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That’s just not what I’m seeing at all.
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No, he didn’t explicitly call her a thief or evil, but he damn sure implied that she was illegally taking bribes from Wall Street in order to line her own pockets and protect the oligarchs when they steal from the poor, which is pretty evil. You don’t have to call someone evil or a thief to imply that’s what they are and that is exactly what Bernie did time and time again. Asking why HRC isn’t making a dent with young voters is literally like the MSM asking why Obama hasn’t reached out to Republicans. Claiming that Clinton isn’t doing enough to capture the youth vote is as simple-minded as Chuck Todd lamenting that Obama won’t work with Republicans.
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It’s ALL ABOUT the attention. AS long as people are saying ‘TRUMP’, he’s in HEAVEN.
So lately Mr Stupid is preaching against the internet…seriously, IS thee nothing this STUPID person won’t threaten. Ya, Ya RIGHT YOU stupid ass.
if it were not for the internet he wouldn’t be a candidate nor would we be enjoying this sight,
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That is the danger of today’s fragmented media environment. It’s extremely easy to get into a bubble where we aren’t confronted by facts that don’t conform to our desired reality.
If you happen to be a post-modernist and believe that there is no such thing as objective reality, that might be okay. But if you believe there is a reality whose facts are the same for everyone, these bubbles are hugely problematic.
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Individuals who are unable to discern the difference in the opinions on a comment board and the actual campaign-trail efforts by a candidate.
Somewhat paralleling the reliance of the Trump inner-circle in using crowd size at a rally to convince themselves, that that puny sample-size somehow equates to ‘the polls are skewed’.
As if talking to their kids-- and their friends-- and extrapolating it–
to mean something more grandiose; to edify their beliefs.
Has an ad nauseam-moebius loop quality about it.
jw1
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Whoa. Let’s not get carried away. The chances of that happening are slim to none. And, you know what they say about slim.
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Not to mention good old Washington State! We’re as far as you can get from the South and still stay in the Continental U.S…but we have lots of rednecks!
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I can vouch for that, having lived with Rednecks in every state I"ve lived in. NJ rednecks are some of the best rednecks. Really, people talk about how red their necks are. The best, simply incredible rednecks, believe me.
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If, Kansas, SC and other red states go for Trump, it won’t be because of Trump, it will be because they were red, have been red and changing their redness is so difficult that even a offensive SOB like Trump can’t get the job done.
Do we really want a piglier pig than Trump to have to evolve in order to win these states? They chose to live in their shitdom and therefor do.
While I feel for the poor Dems that are lost in these hellhole’s of depravity, the rest of us shouldn’t suffer because their states are willing shitholes politically.
Like a drug addict, the state has to want to change, be willing and able to recognize the problem before anyone else can help at all.
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Well, we can’t expect much from Oklahoma and Idaho…
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Give it some time. There are three debates and more than two months to go.
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Yes, but at least the young voters are even more turned off to Trump. Unfortunately, it looks like they are moving to Stein and Johnson. That same Pew poll that had Hillary up by 4 with Stein getting 4 and Johnson 10 had Obama’s approval at plus 11- 53-42. So if Stein and Johnson were not in the race, I bet Hillary would have been up by 11 over Trump instead of just 4. We can only hope the Johnson and Stein vote goes down as the election nears. This would mean the people (young and otherwise) toying with voting third party become more fearful of a Trump presidency than they are inclined to register a protest vote.
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You are wrong. Republicans are professional politicians who have made a bet that they won’t be held accountable for not working with Obama. In fact they have created a tribal reality that punishes them for working with Obama.
Young people are newly minted voters Clinton (or any Democratic politician) needs to court to grow her party. At least until bright line boneheads decided that that she can’t attract anyone who isn’t part of her traditional “base.” Your analysis is very common and it is the kind of tribal thinking that makes America’s future so shaky.
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That’s made me chuckle-- as I know of a young couple from NC–
who moved to Texas about a year ago, and work for my now former employer.
Well, she was from NC. He hailed from the U.K.
Very funny guy. Calls himself a Britneck.
jw1
That whizzing sound?
That thing that just zipped by overhead?
Was a euphemism. Pretty sure.
jw1
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Trump has 80 more days to piss off everyone but his hardcore supporters. Hiring the guy from Breitbart is a double down on hate speech…on steroids. 1/3 of Republicans are ashamed of Trump and will either vote Libertarian, skip the president part of the ballot or stay home. Doesn’t take too many to bail out - to make this a full out blowout.
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A girl can wish, right? Everybody, vote. And tell all of your friends to vote!
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Nah, she’s been working hard from day one to attract young voters. Again, you’re a Chuck Todd. You believe that because she’s not winning enough of those folks, it’s proof positive that somehow she hasn’t tried hard enough. It doesn’t matter what she’s actually done, how hard she’s sought the youth vote. All that is ultimately irrelevant to you. Much like the MSM, if she hasn’t won them over then it’s proof she hasn’t tried. I guess you’re one of those who believes Trump will get 95% of the black vote in 2020 because, well, he tried so…results!
Also, look at my post history, I’ve always been a big fan of expanding the base and therefore the map. I absolutely believe in that. But we all know what you mean when you say “base”, don’t we?
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Ding ding ding. That’s why all this demonizing of the so-called establishment is such a joke. They love Obama, and you just don’t get more establishment than being the two term president of the most powerful country in the world. Obama is the very essence of what the term establishment means and yet he enjoys very high marks with the people who now say they’re going to vote for someone who stands in polar opposition to everything he’s accomplished. Why? They agree with HRC on most issues but find her to be just this side of the antichrist. Because, despite the fact that they overwhelmingly agree with Clinton on almost every issue, they find her irredeemable and unacceptable. Why? Because they were fed a pack of a lies, and we may all pay for it later.
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@pluckyinky, @littlegirlblue, @irasdad, @maximus, And in some respects it is better if they don’t vote than vote for Hillary. If they don’t vote they don’t vote for down ballot GOP senate, house and state legislative candidates. If they vote for Hillary, they probably vote for down ballot GOPers. So if Hillary is way ahead in early November, we have a better shot to take the House and Senate if discouraged GOPers who don’t like Trump just stay home on Election Day.
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