Now Bishop Mitt is free to fulfill the White Horse Prophecy!
No baptism for you!
Want to see a part of MORmON history that they really donât want you to know?
Google âMountain Meadows.â
Never worship a guy whose name sounds like "Moron?"âŚ
Ah. That explains so much.
Mittens thought it was the âWhite House Prophecyâ.
To be serious here, Kate Kelly probably had her heart set on the kinds of turn-arounds which the Church did in the 1970s changing from claiming black people were Hamâs damned children to allowing them in the priesthood, or most recently changing from claiming gay people were just specially challenged and could only be in the church if they swore to live a celibate or faux-straight-married lifestyle, to grudgingly accepting homosexual unions. The âChurchâ claims its teachings are eternal and unchanging, yet has had some pretty significant post-fact-rationalized reversals of âeternalâ policy within my own lifetime.
It isnât insane to hope that you might push it to another such reversal and suddenly the time women were not allowed in the Priesthood was either a âtime to test soulsâ or a historical artifact pushed on the church by the backwards society in which it had to function or a necessary but temporary order of things whose time has passed or some other rationalize claptrap.
If you think âwell she should just go to a church which conforms with her own beliefsâ, that is true, but nearly impossible. The LDS Church is the Fox News of religion, except about 1000 times better at it. All other religions are not just false, but filled with people who have been fooled by Satan into worshipping false idols (including the crucifix) and false gods. While there is always hope for the eternal souls of those who attend those other churches, once âshown the lightâ of the One True Church it is repeatedly shown that there is no going away and coming back. Once the Plan has been revealed to a person, it is a personal affront to God himself to entertain that another church might be a better fit.
That is how the Church works. Those inside it bristle at the allegation of the LDS Church being a cult, but in this way it absolutely is. Once in its grips, it is incredibly hard for someone to come out of it alive.
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To be fair, Moroni isnât pronounced like âmoron-eyeâ; the second âoâ is like in âtoneâ or âstoneâ or âcloneâ. And, quite importantly, the Angel Moroni is an important figure in the âhistoryâ of the LDS Church, but he is not at all to be worshipped. That would be like worshipping the Pope (if you are not Catholic, let me just clear any potential misconceptions there: Catholics donât worship the Pope either, nor do they worship the pantheon of saints, although the LDS Church members will often claim both of those and Iâm assuming they arenât alone in those misbeliefs).
May be, but believing in fairy tales (be they Christian, Islamic, or whomever) is still pretty Moron-y.
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Agree with the thought, but playing with the name just comes off as juvenile. There are many rational, iron-clad reasons why the LDS Church is wrong; the name of one of the figures of its organizational rebirth myth hardly registers.
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I define cult as a personality-based group that micromanages its members and has cultural practices calculated to set said members apart from social norms in some way. So I also define Pentecostal Protestantism, Amway, and certain corporate employers (such as Trilogy and Google) as cults.
Not to keep harping on the same thing here, but if itâs a church or a cult itâs because they have some overarching religious belief. In this case itâs supposed to be based on their version of the Bible and the word of their god.
If that can be ignored, revised, or changed due to social, political, or economic conditions, then itâs no longer a religion, itâs a tool for controlling peoplesâ lives and wallets.
Church members being kicked out for apostasy is quite rare, he said.
Not only is it rare, itâs hard. Many ex-Mormons say they have a very difficult time getting the church to take them off its membership rolls, which they keep overinflated with everyone whoâs ever been a member at any point in their lives (much like the Catholic Church). Plus those that only âjoinedâ after they were dead.
It was not to long ago, this same church would not allow blacks to hold the keys to their PriesthoodâŚBUT suddenly someone had a revelation and they were allowed to join the WHITE men and hold the Priesthood. The Mormons live under a doom. Seriously within the rankân file of the Mormon cult Women are held to a very low standard by the Mormon men.
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True, although âsomeoneâ has to be the President of the Church and his Quorum of the Twelve, which is very important to the narrative here. It is a very hierarchal organization. A group of septi- and octogenarians need to be convinced of the need for the Church to change, enough that they imagine such a revelation.
I suspect that the black reversal is probably cited outside the LDS Church too often, and is seen as a ham-fisted (no pun intended) attempt to stay relevant in a changing society, which attempt cost the Church loads of credibility. The church leadership is hesitant to make the same mistake again, because they get a lot of guff from the previous one.
Which, IMHO, is fine. Let the organization become an anachronism and slip away, as is necessary with such an authoritarian and rigid regime which rationalizes each awkward self-serving position with âbut this is the unchanging Word of God!â But, I suspect those still floundering around on the inside of the organization, which of late included Kelly herself, hope to save the church from itself. Good luck with that.
Why is this a surprise? This woman grew up as a Mormon. What part of patriarchal cult donât people get?
Nice job summing it up!
I believe the church was facing losing some sort of tax-exemption if they continued their âidealogicalâ policy against black people in their church. In the seventies
no less . . . . All about the dollars doncha know.
Thatâs my question, what woman would want to belong to the Mormon church, but then what woman in their right mind would be a republican??
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Iâm sorry, but Iâm having some trouble feeling sorry for her. Kicked out of a patriarchal, abusive, racist group of obvious looneys? Sounds like they did her a favor.
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Mormons is odd people. I worked on a large construction project on the Wyoming/Utah border. Lots of Mormon guys there. One young man was caught cheating on his 9 month pregnant 19 year old wife. His big concern was that sheâd tell the church and heâd be excommunicated. Not what he had done to this very young woman, nope just that sheâd tell the Church. I was only a few years older than him at the time, but I thought that of all the reactions someone could have to that situation that would have been the furthest from my mind.
The church also kicked out Sonja Johnson in the 80âs for advocating for
the Equal Rights Amendment for women. LDS is a patriarchal
cult that places women in a subservient role and they are not supposed
to have ideas, opinions or question authority. Their husbands rule
and the church rules of the husbands. Being a women in the LDS
Church means giving up a major part of your personhood. Having kids,
doing as youâre told by your husband, canning food, and attending
Relief Society (a womenâs social) is the LDS life. If you want a life
contributing for the betterment of women, especially one in the
public square, you might as well just leave the Church on your own.