Discussion: McCaskill Won't Help Cruz With Birther Questions They Way She Helped McCain

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And this, Ted Cruz, is why you need to learn to “play well with others”.

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Guess Senate is treating Cruz with the same level of respect he holds for the institution.

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Don’t even make excuses. Just decline to help. There’s no Congressional interest here. Psst, Teddy - learn to play with others.

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@BeattyCat
O’Donnell has had Tribe a constitutional law professor at Harvard on his program several times to discussion the meaning of a “natural born citizen.” It is far from clear according to Tribe and actually quite ambiguous that the matter is settled as Cruz keeps saying. The Constitution did not address the status of a son of an American who’s born in a foreign country, and Tribe believes SCOTUS would have to decide on it. To not address it in the (unlikely) event of a Cruz presidency would cause innumerable problems including lawsuits on the basis that his citizenship is fraudulent…

Trumpet never heard of Tribe before this but he’s citing Tribe in his attacks against Cruz. Cruz’s citizenship is not a “settled matter” as Cruz wants people to believe, and this is what the beginning of the end of a campaign looks like .

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This is very entertaining. However, I must say that from my perspective, Ted Cruz is eligible to serve as POTUS with regards to his citizenship. Ted’s mother never set in motion any kind of procedure–or even showed any such interest–in forfeiting her U.S. citizenship. With this in mind, to me, Ted being her son by birth coupled with the fact he’s lived all his life here (and showed no other allegiances in all that time … except to a nutty god of some sort), he’s eligible to serve as POTUS.

Edit to add that Ted’s mother also met all the requirements set forth in the Constitution.

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I think the funnier thing is he was watching Lawrence O’Donnell.

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It just kills me that Cruz is supposed to be a natural born citizen, but even if Obama was born in Kenya (he wasnt) to an American mother its the same thing…so why did we have the birther shit in the first place? I’m waiting for Orly Taitz to come out from under a rock here shortly.

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You mean, other than maintaining his Canadian citizenship until 2014?

Yeah, I agree with you. But for the safety of the Republic, we need to keep planting the seeds of doubt in the minds of the low-information voters.

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Why would the fact that “trump brought it up” give it any weight? If course Trump brought it up…along with a bunch of other nonsense and all for the same reason: to appeal to voters. Natural Born Citizen has had a working definition for a very long time. That definition makes Cruz eligible as it did Obama and McCain. There was never a reasonable argument against any of them. Cruz can run. Why can’t folks tell Trump: You’re wrong.

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Cruz’s teeth are on fire and there’s no piss to be found.

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That really is amusing, but Trumpet watches Toad and MTP for his foreign affairs tutorials. Everything he knows he’s learned from NBC news programs. Isn’t that grand

I wish trump or one of the other gop/bag candidates would just say to cruz…being born in Canada to a US citizen entitles you to US citizenship (if mom didn’t denounce her US citizenship by voting in Canada). But it does not entitle you to the presidency!!

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“Natural born citizen” remains ambiguous and uncertain according to the constitutional law professor Tribe. Cruz is the son of an American but born in a foreign country, and the Founders never addressed that. They knew however that they wanted to avoid a pathway to the presidency be given to a foreign born person. That would be Cruz, who was a Canadian citizen until very recently.

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That’s the one entirely certain thing in the whole matter.

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According to his Harvard Law professor, Cruz is a Constitutional Originalist (except when it isn’t convenient to Cruz). So if the intent of the framers was to prevent citizens from becoming President if they had potential loyalties to another sovereignty, then Cruz and his mother (who both had dual citizenship) would both be disqualified. And Cruz only renounced his Canadian citizenship in June of 2014.
At the end of the day, the issue of Natural Born Citizen isn’t settled by the Constitution or by the Supreme Court. And if an impacted person (another candidate) sues for damages, the challenge would need to go through the system to its conclusion. Trump could do sue but why not get someone else to do all the work and incur all the costs (typical Donald).
One other thing. Why if there are only three scientists out a hundred who don’t accept that humans have an impact on climate change, that is good enough for some, but if only one out of ten experts say this isn’t settled, it isn’t good enough?

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Wow…this is unsettling. A regular, smart comment, devoid of snark from you. :grinning: Are you okay? Everything good?

Sad but true that Trumpet is not well educated, maybe not even as much as the four-year old who lives down the street. But he’s a sweet polite child who says thank you and please

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I’m not hung over?

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eustace has made many a smart and pertinent comment; however, his snark is the best!

see above

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