Discussion: Manafort Faces More Than 19 Years In Prison, According To New Mueller Filings

[outis]

For what I can tell, the Judge is pretty pissed off at him. She might have some mercy and have his old pal Roger Stone to the same prison to keep him company. They have 50 years of rateffing, dirty tricks and thievery to remember and brimng each other up, that they are not to run out of conversation.

I think we are mixing judges. Isn’t this sentencing to be done by Ellis?

Edit: Discussion: Manafort Faces More Than 19 Years In Prison, According To New Mueller Filings

[ifeveroheverawiztherewas]

This guy was a key player in a conspiracy against this country and its ability to conduct its foreign affairs in its own interests and nobody else’s.

This is why IMHO a pardon would be traitorous. To see paulie walk would really hurt. I hope there’s a stack of state charges waiting for the pardon eventuality

[outis]

I think Manafort was willing to subvert this country and it’s values to save his own neck from Deripaska. He literally sold us all out for $10 million loan forgiveness.

I think of a great line from the movie “A Man for All Seasons,” where Sir Thomas More is confronting a former friend who has turned as a witness against him by lying to gain the favor of the crown in exchange for a diplomatic post:

“It profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world … but for Wales?”

Here, one might say:

“It profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world … but for an Ostrich coat?”

[mattinpa]

Is it really so mysterious? Manafort was concealing the collusion with Klimnik in order to keep his chance of a pardon open.

That’s certainly a good, tidy explanation but others are also plausible. The Kilimnick aspect pretty much forces you to consider a wider, deeper conspiracy than just a couple operators working in Ukraine. Why is he trying to build a firewall between the then-campaign and Kilimnick?

[tpr]

save his own neck from Deripaska. He literally sold us all out for $10 million loan forgiveness

You’re not wrong, but as you observe, massive unpaid loans to criminals can become life-threatening problems, especially if those criminals are cozy with tyrannical kleptocrats known to send assassins after their enemies. So, it might not be fair to reduce Manafort’s motivation to “loan forgiveness” in its typical, narrow sense.

And, I think you’re right that he “literally sold us all out,” but it’s such a consistent theme with Manafort that I don’t think it’s a coincidence. He spent years selling out vulnerable populations to rich villains. Then he stole from one of those villains. Then he sold us out to settle that debt. It’s not just greed. There are other ways to get rich.

One way or another, it was inevitable that we’d find Manafort at our throats: he’s always been there, we just didn’t notice him.

ETA: Here’s another explanation:

The Hoarse Whisperer (HoarseWisperer)

[eisenst]

I think there is a pardon in the air. Or the sentence will be whittled down in someway. Of course this scumbag deserves decades in jail, that goes without saying.

I wonder if they’ll let him keep the ostrich coat as a pet.

[zillacop]

I don’t know about a pardon at this point. tRump has probably forgotten who Manafort is since there are so many more scandalous problems he has to focus on now. But, as in all things tRump, all bets are off as to what he would do, except poke yet another finger into democracy.

[jacksonhts]

Yep. Next to nothing in the article about Ellis and his normal Sentencing practices and tendencies. Also, nothing in the article about whether there is a minimum sentence for any of the charges of conviction. If not, Judge Ellis could depart downward for this aging white Republican, who he has already said was being prosecuted unfairly on these particular charges in order to make him flip.

[ralph_vonholst]

I’m so cynical! I think Ellis will give Manafort an inappropriately light “white ‘bidness’ man” sentence.

[tao]

When wheelchair bound Manafort gets his pardon look for a miraculous healing as he dances out of the court room like Fred Astaire.

[occamscoin]

[quote=“jacksonhts, post:28, topic:84498”]
Judge Ellis could depart downward
[/quote] I think the prosecution still has the option of resuming the DC trial (before Amy Berman Jackson). Wasn’t that trial halted due to having its charges rolled into the cooperation agreement, which the prosecution is now saying is void?

[rascal_crone]

“created a mental and physical strain on Manafort, who has recently used a wheelchair in court appearances and will turn 70 in April.”

Not a neck brace? How’d they pass that up?

A man who actively worked alongside those who would deny health care to the sick and social security to the elderly is using a wheelchair and might spend old age in prison. Somehow I don’t feel a bit mournful at all.

[fiftygigs]

Manafort acted for more than a decade as if he were above the law, and deprived the federal government and various financial institutions of millions of dollars

In Republican terms:

Manafort was a career criminal...

Who enjoyed all the benefits of this country...

Without paying his share of the costs for them...

Forcing everyone else to pay extra to subsidize him...

In the course of robbing entrepreneurs and their trusting customers...

…all of us.

[rascal_crone]

and McConnel, Graham and Sessions knew all along and were A-OK with it. making sure corporate - friendly judges were rammed into the system was far more important than stupid ‘America’ or ‘representing the people’.

[greylady]

As a federal taxpayer, I hearby authorize the use of my taxes to incarcerate Manafort with the general prison population instead of a “Club Fed” facility.

[uneducated]

Only the good die young but evil lives on for ever.

[lastroth]

I’m so cynical! I think Ellis will give Manafort an inappropriately light “white ‘bidness’ man” sentence.

But then there are the other charges that Paulie pled guilty to, for that trial was to start after his appearance in front of Judge Ellis. So is Ellis only sentencing Manafort for the crimes he was found guilty in the trial before Ellis, then what happens to the charges that he pled guilty to but never went to trial?

[ralph_vonholst]

I think just those involving Ellis.

[marby]

Someone on another site wrote, “I wonder what his job prospects will be when he leaves prison as an 88-year old felon?”

[becca656]

I wonder if they’ll let him keep the ostrich coat as a pet.

A comfort animal? Therapy animal?